I don't disagree at all. It's just ridiculous for anyone to claim Hoover needs to be under court supervision for segregation. It's one of the most diverse systems in the state, and actually has an overrepresentation of minorities in educator and administration roles. If there is any system in the state that has earned unitary status, Hoover has. That case serves no purpose other than forcing ideological nonsense at this point, and that has been clear for at least a decade. It's nothing more than a method to have a federal judge rule over school systems, nitpick every little decision, and force teaching ideas that the local population would not support at this point. The goal appears to be to make every school system as dysfunctional as Birmingham.

Anyone claiming this is about "desegregation" is completely ignorant of these proceedings. The case started out as a "desegregation" lawsuit against Jefferson County decades ago, so that's how it's referred. I guess that serves an additional purpose of getting complete fools like Fells to believe the case still has anything to do with desegregation and opposing it means you're "anti-desegregation."

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Posted on 6/3/23 at 10:32 am to imjustafatkid

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That case serves no purpose other than forcing ideological nonsense at this point, and that has been clear for at least a decade. It's nothing more than a method to have a federal judge rule over school systems, nitpick every little decision, and force teaching ideas that the local population would not support at this point. The goal appears to be to make every school system as dysfunctional as Birmingham.

I'm not going to wade into this discussion other than to ask a simple question based on this statement.

Are you saying there is an active lawsuit against Hoover alleging segregation?

ETA: I honestly have no clue because I haven't kept up with Alabama political issues since I moved to Texas three years ago.

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Posted by imjustafatkid

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Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:29 pm to TideSaint

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Are you saying there is an active lawsuit against Hoover alleging segregation?

Yes and no. The case started in 1971 against Jefferson County. Since a portion of Hoover is in Jefferson County, they became a party to it when they started their own system in the late 1980s. Case should have been quashed decades ago but the NAACP was allowed to jump in as plaintiff.

Here's a solid breakdown. LINK

This is the kind of dangerous crap they focus on:

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Both the DOJ and the NAACP LDF found disparities in the rates of discipline between black students and white students. For example, the DOJ, using data provided by Hoover, found that during the 2016-2017 school year, black students were four times more likely than white students to be given an out-of-school suspension. Here’s a sampling of what that looked like at the school level:

At Hoover’s alternative school, known as the Second Chance program, from 2013-2014 through February of this year, of the 475 students sent to alternative school, 51 percent were black and 41 percent were white. The district’s overall population this year is 25 percent black and 57 percent white.

Everyone is less safe when you discipline based on immutable characteristics. This crap is what leads to viral videos of students attacking teachers. The case clearly has nothing to do with desegregation anymore and is now simply a tool to push an ideological slant.

ETA: Many school systems in the south are dealing with similar cases activist judges won't let die. It isn't just Alabama.

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Posted by imjustafatkid

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Posted on 6/3/23 at 4:10 pm to imjustafatkid

This website has a list you can search, separated by state, showing where all there are still "desegregation" cases open. It's actually a lot more areas than I expected. Seems like only 3 states don't have any cases open at all.

What a complete waste of time and money.

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