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re: OT: Alabama Coronavirus Thread (see link in OP for case numbers and death totals in AL)
Posted on 4/27/20 at 1:16 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 4/27/20 at 1:16 pm to TideWarrior
How much less? 
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 1:21 pm to TideWarrior
I will say I do like the approach Purdue is taking to deal with it though.
Again my only concern is all them are saying the same thing in regards to social distancing, large gatherings, and travel away from campus. If I were to read between the lines, otherwise speculate what they are saying I have even more concern that fall sports will not take place in college this year.
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hey could include spreading out classes across days and times to reduce their size, more use of online instruction for on-campus students, virtualizing laboratory work, and similar steps.
We will look to protect the more vulnerable members of our community by allowing (or requiring, if necessary) them to work remotely.
Like the rest of society, we are learning a lot right now about which jobs are most amenable to remote work, and about new and better ways to do such work. We intend to know as much as possible about the viral health status of our community.
This could include pre-testing of students and staff before arrival in August, for both infection and post-infection immunity through antibodies.
It will include a robust testing system during the school year, using Purdue’s own BSL-2 level laboratory for fast results.
Anyone showing symptoms will be tested promptly, and quarantined if positive, in space we will set aside for that purpose.
We expect to be able to trace proximate and/or frequent contacts of those who test positive. Contacts in the vulnerable categories will be asked to self-quarantine for the recommended period, currently 14 days.
Those in the young, least vulnerable group will be tested, quarantined if positive, or checked regularly for symptoms if negative for both antibodies and the virus. Again, these concepts are preliminary, intended mainly to illustrate an overall, data-driven and research-based strategy, and to invite suggestions for their modification or exclusion in favor of better actions.
They will be augmented by a host of other changes, such as an indefinite prohibition on gatherings above a specified size, continued limitations on visitors to and travel away from campus, required use of face coverings and other protective equipment, frequent if not daily deep cleaning of facilities, and so forth.
Again my only concern is all them are saying the same thing in regards to social distancing, large gatherings, and travel away from campus. If I were to read between the lines, otherwise speculate what they are saying I have even more concern that fall sports will not take place in college this year.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:03 pm to JustGetItRight
Dr Scott Atlas, former neurological chief at Stanford,
"recent Stanford University antibody study concluded the death rate to be between 0.1 to 0.2 percent right in line with the flu. The WHO predicted 20 to 30 times higher.
In NYC, 99.2 percent of deaths had an underlying condition.
Quarantines have prevented us from achieving herd immunity.
We are just postponing the problem.
People are dying because other medical care is not getting done. (cant go to the Dr or hospital unless you have the virus.
We know the elderly and those with health issues are the most vulnerable. Its a commonsense goal to target an isolation policy towards that group.
he went into more detail on each of these points but summed it up by saying, "knowing what we know know, its time to go back to work".
"recent Stanford University antibody study concluded the death rate to be between 0.1 to 0.2 percent right in line with the flu. The WHO predicted 20 to 30 times higher.
In NYC, 99.2 percent of deaths had an underlying condition.
Quarantines have prevented us from achieving herd immunity.
We are just postponing the problem.
People are dying because other medical care is not getting done. (cant go to the Dr or hospital unless you have the virus.
We know the elderly and those with health issues are the most vulnerable. Its a commonsense goal to target an isolation policy towards that group.
he went into more detail on each of these points but summed it up by saying, "knowing what we know know, its time to go back to work".
Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:48 pm to IB4bama
I don't disagree with any of that, particularly the part about time to reopen but none of it has nothing to do with if this is more deadly than the flu or not.
It will kill more people than the normal seasonal flu. That's not debatable at all.
Even if you assume the numbers have been inflated (they have) by as much as 10% you're still approaching 50,000 US deaths. That's a pretty bad flu year - but the rona's done it in a little more than a month.
Also the statement
is false. At least in Alabama you certainly can go to the doctor or hospital for routine care or other medical issues. You just can't have elected procedures.
It doesn't have to be an either/or.
The virus IS deadlier than the normal flu because of how easily it is transmitted.
It IS time to reopen our economy because we know know that we aren't going to overtax our health care system.
It will kill more people than the normal seasonal flu. That's not debatable at all.
Even if you assume the numbers have been inflated (they have) by as much as 10% you're still approaching 50,000 US deaths. That's a pretty bad flu year - but the rona's done it in a little more than a month.
Also the statement
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cant go to the Dr or hospital unless you have the virus.
is false. At least in Alabama you certainly can go to the doctor or hospital for routine care or other medical issues. You just can't have elected procedures.
It doesn't have to be an either/or.
The virus IS deadlier than the normal flu because of how easily it is transmitted.
It IS time to reopen our economy because we know know that we aren't going to overtax our health care system.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:58 pm to TideWarrior
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I can tell you many of these schools are anticipating a 20% decrease in enrollment for the fall even if everything reopens due to potential 2nd wave.
Saw a story the other day that said that many graduating high school students are considering a gap year due to all of the uncertainty right now.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:01 pm to FairhopeTider
Man, what's that going to do to the 2021 seniors? That's even more competition for spots that fall.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:30 pm to TidalSurge1
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How much less?
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:44 pm to MrMojoRisin
Well here's a perspective from the other side of the equation. I love UA. Always have, always will. Baby girl is scheduled to report in the fall. If Alabama decides to do virtual school, even with a Presidential scholarship, this parent has a hard time paying the rest of her out of state tab to got to school online. Why Alabama? If she's got to go virtually, why not Duke or Harvard or even the local community college? IMHO, if you go to online college, you really close the gap between most colleges. So maybe the Ivies are still the Ivies, even online. But the distinction between Alabama and Duke and FSU-Panama City gets a lot smaller. I'm not sure I would want to pay for that. An in-state option where she goes tuition free with her Bright Futures money gets a WHOLE lot more attractive.
ETA: We suggested a gap year. I've always been against them. This was different. I brought it up myself. Daughter wouldn't hear of it. She's hellbent to get to Tuscaloosa. If she can, more power to her. If that's not an option, I think we have to reevaluate.
ETA: We suggested a gap year. I've always been against them. This was different. I brought it up myself. Daughter wouldn't hear of it. She's hellbent to get to Tuscaloosa. If she can, more power to her. If that's not an option, I think we have to reevaluate.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:25 pm to JustGetItRight
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I don't disagree with any of that, particularly the part about time to reopen but none of it has nothing to do with if this is more deadly than the flu or not.
It will kill more people than the normal seasonal flu. That's not debatable at all.
Even if you assume the numbers have been inflated (they have) by as much as 10% you're still approaching 50,000 US deaths. That's a pretty bad flu year - but the rona's done it in a little more than a month.
Also the statement
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cant go to the Dr or hospital unless you have the virus.
is false. At least in Alabama you certainly can go to the doctor or hospital for routine care or other medical issues. You just can't have elected procedures.
It doesn't have to be an either/or.
The virus IS deadlier than the normal flu because of how easily it is transmitted.
It IS time to reopen our economy because we know know that we aren't going to overtax our health care system.
I agree with almost everything you say.
These people that are coming out with the "no worse than the flu" are really doing more harm to their cause than good.
They probably get a lot of positive feedback from the rest of the fringe that think exactly like them. However, when the regular people who are trying to make up their minds about getting back to more regular activities read that kind of nonsense it really just pushes them the opposite direction. Same with the people saying we shouldn't go outside until next spring.
Only thing I disagree with is that we have absolutely no way to say that the virus numbers are "inflated".
Since this is all being done on the fly we can be 100% sure that there are lots of inconsistencies and mistakes. However, for as much as I read one side of the argument make a great case for certain things being mistakes to add to the count, I read just as much about counts missing lots of cases (things like 10% over norm increases in deaths at home from causes like strokes etc etc that may well be due to the virus).
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:33 pm to wm72
Here's the difference in a nutshell: we know how to treat the flu. We have vaccines and antivirals for the flu. They aren't 100% effective, nothing in medicine is. People still die from tonsillectomies despite our best efforts. But unless you are in a group that is more susceptible to the flu or the opportunistic infections that accompany it, you have a damn good shot at surviving the flu.
With COVID19, we're still figuring it out. There is no vaccine, there are no antivirals that work. We are still throwing darts at a dartboard and hoping we hit something. The treatments may be worse than the disease. We're just now learning we were helping kill ventilated patients by turning the pressure up too high. With this disease, whether you live or die mostly depends on you and how your body fights it off. We're still learning ways it can kill you. We can throw shite at the wall and see what sticks, but that's about the summary of our "treatments."
With COVID19, we're still figuring it out. There is no vaccine, there are no antivirals that work. We are still throwing darts at a dartboard and hoping we hit something. The treatments may be worse than the disease. We're just now learning we were helping kill ventilated patients by turning the pressure up too high. With this disease, whether you live or die mostly depends on you and how your body fights it off. We're still learning ways it can kill you. We can throw shite at the wall and see what sticks, but that's about the summary of our "treatments."
Posted on 4/27/20 at 4:54 pm to wm72
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Only thing I disagree with is that we have absolutely no way to say that the virus numbers are "inflated".
I was talking about deaths. If you die and test positive, you're counted as a COVID death no matter what else you had going on. I have firsthand knowledge of now two terminally ill cancer patients who were on hospice that are counted. One didn't even have a positive test. He just died with a fever and cough. Yep, those are symptoms so he's a covid. I think there are a lot more of those than deaths that are covid but attributed to other things.
Not really relevant, the point I was making is that it has killed a lot of people. I'm certain we agree on that.
When it comes to number of cases, it is vastly UNDER counted. Based on the large scale antibody tests that have been done, I wouldn't be surprised if a quarter of the people in America have already had and recovered from it.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 5:07 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
University of Oregon president just announced they'll be welcoming students back to campus in the Fall and will have on-campus instruction.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 5:36 pm to secuniversity
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Our fall plans will comply with Governor Kate Brown’s emerging strategy to reopen Oregon and will be informed by guidance from the Oregon Health Authority and Lane County Public Health.
Yes U of Oregon plans to like others if certain conditions are met. That above was from the President today and posted on the college website.
I have a friend that works there and they are not sure the college even if open will be able to return to full capacity due to all the employees both faculty and staff they had to lay off. They are also looking at close to 30% reduction in enrollment for the fall and have lost millions of dollars this spring and summer from lost revenue in dorm and dinning plans.
On the other end Oregon State is not sure and some from their believe it could 2022 before social distancing standards are removed and back to normal.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 5:48 pm to TideWarrior
This right here is why so many colleges are coming out and saying they plan to reopen for in person classes in the fall even though it is still uncertain. As I mentioned earlier it is about financial concerns and many colleges are already seeing millions in losses and expect to see more in the fall with enrollment seeing one of the highest drops in a long time due to the coronavirus.
I agree that online is a poor platform for learning and will never replace in class experience and value. Colleges are already struggling with acceptance requirements because many can not take the needed exams or meet certain requirements while at home now. Now with families holding back on making a decision and withholding deposits colleges are scrambling. Budget cuts are another major concern especially as state schools are going to see a large cut.
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More than 40 percent of parents say they are either uncertain or would not send their child to colleges for the fall semester in a remote-learning scenario. Among parents of first-, second- and third-year students, 6 percent say they would not support their child’s return to college in a remote-learning format. Among parents of high school seniors, the skepticism is even greater, with 9 percent saying they would not send them under such conditions, and 32 percent unsure of what to do.
Of the parents with children already enrolled in college, 90 percent say they are not comfortable with their children returning to status quo learning experience. Among parents of students attending private institutions, the antipathy toward distance learning is even more pronounced, with 93 percent saying they are not comfortable returning in the current state and 47 percent expecting a meaningful reduction in price.
I agree that online is a poor platform for learning and will never replace in class experience and value. Colleges are already struggling with acceptance requirements because many can not take the needed exams or meet certain requirements while at home now. Now with families holding back on making a decision and withholding deposits colleges are scrambling. Budget cuts are another major concern especially as state schools are going to see a large cut.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 5:59 pm to TideWarrior
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Now with families holding back on making a decision and withholding deposits colleges are scrambling. Budget cuts are another major concern especially as state schools are going to see a large cut.
This right here is why college in person classes and sports will happen this fall. They don’t have any other choice.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 6:05 pm to JustGetItRight
My daughter is finishing her freshman year at UA and has been devastated by having to come home . Haven’t really thought about the situation if it were remote in the fall bc I just assumed (hoped )things would back to normal by then .
. Haven’t really thought about the situation if it were remote in the fall bc I just assumed (hoped )things would back to normal by then . This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 6:08 pm to JustGetItRight
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This right here is why college in person classes and sports will happen this fall. They don’t have any other choice.
I am not sure and if it happens it will not be like it was. Major modifications will be put in place for classes with limits to how many can enroll per class. Something they are already looking at now.
With that said if and if college sports return in the fall we will not see fans in the stadium in the beginning and I doubt any championships out of a conference will be held.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 6:10 pm to Bear88
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Haven’t really thought about the situation if it was remote in the fall bc I just assumed (hoped )things would back to normal by then .
That is where the struggle is because many families will demand a reduction in fees especially for services they are no longer able to receive if they do not return to campus. One of the things that have hurt colleges so much this spring and upcoming summer. So smaller schools I heard canceled summer classes because it cost more to provide it online.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 6:19 pm to TideWarrior
If it were strictly just tuition online and her living at home , it would be free with her scholarship but this is my baby girl and I want her to have a normal experience at UA like my oldest did and she was loving it so much . Kinda sad really 
even though it will cost me a shite ton of money
Just hope they make the right decision
even though it will cost me a shite ton of money Just hope they make the right decision
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 6:26 pm to Bear88
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Just hope they make the right decision
I hope they can figure it out and get the kids back on campus. The experience is unmatched and proven chance for success is higher for in person classes vs online.
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