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Posted on 3/14/26 at 11:41 am to ss4bama12
Posted on 3/14/26 at 11:41 am to ss4bama12
I think that looking at the current recruiting class vs this year's roster, that Oats has made a slight philosophy change at guards/wings. This current team is full of snipers. But with these great shooters, we're giving up something else, either size or athleticism.
The new crop seen very athletic, but not as much of natural shooters. I'm thinking Oats feels it'll be easier to teach an athlete how to shoot, than it is to teach a shooter how to play good defense. Similar to the NBA philosophy of draft on potential instead of current skill levels.
We know how our system is effective, because it's what every NBA team is running. I guess the million dollar question is, our college players skilled enough to win in this system at this level. Especially when the championship is a single elimination versus a best of 7.
This year was a perfect storm of injuries and missed evals in the front court . It'll be interesting to see what kind of tweaks oats makes. And if we were really in the bottom third of team salaries like had been reported, we've actually been pretty damn successful. That said, we should never be that low in team salary either.
The new crop seen very athletic, but not as much of natural shooters. I'm thinking Oats feels it'll be easier to teach an athlete how to shoot, than it is to teach a shooter how to play good defense. Similar to the NBA philosophy of draft on potential instead of current skill levels.
We know how our system is effective, because it's what every NBA team is running. I guess the million dollar question is, our college players skilled enough to win in this system at this level. Especially when the championship is a single elimination versus a best of 7.
This year was a perfect storm of injuries and missed evals in the front court . It'll be interesting to see what kind of tweaks oats makes. And if we were really in the bottom third of team salaries like had been reported, we've actually been pretty damn successful. That said, we should never be that low in team salary either.
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Posted on 3/14/26 at 11:56 am to CCTider
Qayden Samuels is a score first wing. Think Keyshawn Hall.
Tarris Bouie is very much a do it all wing. Can shoot, finish, defend.
Richardson is the only one I would classify as a prospect shooting wise.
The current team is not exactly full of snipers. We have 3-4 guards who can fill it up (Philon, Biz, Trelly, Mallette) and not much else. Our wings/forwards (Allen, Jemison, TBB, Bristow, Bethea) aren’t really great shooters.
Tarris Bouie is very much a do it all wing. Can shoot, finish, defend.
Richardson is the only one I would classify as a prospect shooting wise.
The current team is not exactly full of snipers. We have 3-4 guards who can fill it up (Philon, Biz, Trelly, Mallette) and not much else. Our wings/forwards (Allen, Jemison, TBB, Bristow, Bethea) aren’t really great shooters.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 12:35 pm to Crimsontide1713
Allen and Bethea are both good shooters. But yes the rest not so much.
And Trelly is so streaky and ball stopper that it really depends on the day.
And Trelly is so streaky and ball stopper that it really depends on the day.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 12:53 pm to Archives
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Shot Quality had us winning the game by 15 points
This post was edited on 3/14/26 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:01 pm to GoodTalkRuss
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I completely disagree. Houston was a one seed that year and their tallest contributor was 6'8 and he averaged 7.5 points and 6 rebounds per game. Carolina had a power forward that averaged 10.3 rebounds per game and a hybrid Forward who averaged 9 rebs per game and both were double digit scoring contributors. How is that a weak front court compared to Houston?
In the last 10 years (so roughly 40 teams), the only #1 seed ending the year ranked lower in Kenpom than 2024 UNC is the 2018 Xavier team that likely shouldn’t have been a 1 seed to begin with. This includes the Purdue and Virginia teams that lost to 16 seeds to end the year. They are objectively one of the worst 1 seeds in the last decade.
Believe Houston was ranked 2nd that year in Kenpom. They also had a more menacing defense that could impose their will despite the lack of size (their defense was ranked 2nd as well). We’d have had a shot against them as we kind of had their number, but UNC was a much more favorable matchup as they weren’t nearly as physical as Houston. Houston was ranked #349 in tempo and could force their tempo on people, while UNC was #41. You have to be really careful quoting things like rebounds per game when there is a difference in tempo that is wider than the state of Texas (300+ rank difference in tempo between 2 one seeds is insane).
This post was edited on 3/14/26 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:32 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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In the last 10 years (so roughly 40 teams), the only #1 seed ending the year ranked lower in Kenpom than UNC is the 2018 Xavier team that likely shouldn’t have been a 1 seed to begin with. This includes the Purdue and Virginia teams that lost to 16 seeds to end the year. They are objectively one of the worst 1 seeds in the last decade.
Believe Houston was ranked 2nd that year in Kenpom. They also had a more menacing defense that could impose their will despite the lack of size (their defense was ranked 2nd as well). We’d have had a shot against them as we kind of had their number, but UNC was a much more favorable matchup as they weren’t nearly as physical as Houston. Houston was ranked #349 in tempo while UNC was #41, and could force their tempo on people. You have to be really careful quoting things like rebounds per game when there is a difference in tempo that is wider than the state of Texas (300+ rank difference in tempo between 2 one seeds is insane).
At least stick with your original argument of what made UNC our best matchup... Houston was BY FAR the weakest front court of the 1 seeds that year. Roberts was their best frontcourt presence and he was 6'8 and after that they really didn't play any other bigs except for occasionally bringing in Tugler who was the same size.. We have historically had success against Houston because they don't present a rebounding problem for us the way most physical teams do.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 1:53 pm to GoodTalkRuss
Brother - there are lots of things that make a specific team a good or bad matchup. I obviously didn’t lay all of them out on the front end for every single 1 seed that year to defend my position that UNC was our best matchup, but you decided to challenge it and used Houston as your challenge team. The data doesn’t lie. UNC was clearly a better matchup for us.
As far as just looking at the front court, Houston’s front court was more athletic and played a slow, physical brand of basketball despite being materially smaller. They had a better offensive rebounding team than UNC and the athleticism could cause us issues.
As an example to demonstrate size isn’t everything, Stevenson and MoD both mainly played the 4 position when at Bama. Stevenson was 6-11 while MoD was 6-7. Which one was the stronger front court player, better interior defender, and better rebounder?
As far as just looking at the front court, Houston’s front court was more athletic and played a slow, physical brand of basketball despite being materially smaller. They had a better offensive rebounding team than UNC and the athleticism could cause us issues.
As an example to demonstrate size isn’t everything, Stevenson and MoD both mainly played the 4 position when at Bama. Stevenson was 6-11 while MoD was 6-7. Which one was the stronger front court player, better interior defender, and better rebounder?
This post was edited on 3/14/26 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:05 pm to mistaken4193
That shot quality graph pretty much confirms watching the game.
Ole Miss made so many shots at about a 80% rate that over a season are 40%
We missed more good shots than in any game I recall for a while.
Not watching Vandy -Florida but that could be happening there? Kinda throws an asterisk next to impossible to beat 1 seeds. Florida is a worse match up for Vandy than us.
Ole Miss made so many shots at about a 80% rate that over a season are 40%
We missed more good shots than in any game I recall for a while.
Not watching Vandy -Florida but that could be happening there? Kinda throws an asterisk next to impossible to beat 1 seeds. Florida is a worse match up for Vandy than us.
This post was edited on 3/14/26 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:12 pm to wm72
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Not watching Vandy -Florida but that could be happening there? Kinda throws an asterisk next to impossible to beat 1 seeds. Florida is a worse match up for Vandy than us.
Vandy scored 94 on FL and only lost by 4 earlier this season. That’s why McGregor and I mentioned we’d prefer them to play FL than UT (and why I indicated having Mizzou and Vandy on FL’s side was the best we could have hoped for to not see them on Sunday).
Losing to Ole Miss is now all the more brutal as we could have won this Tourney and been a 3 seed. The 1 seeds aren’t a bad matchup for everyone, but they definitely are for us.
This post was edited on 3/14/26 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:18 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Wish I could have watched. Vandy blew them out while getting punished on the glass 49-33.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:19 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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Brother - there are lots of things that make a specific team a good or bad matchup. I obviously didn’t lay all of them out on the front end for every single 1 seed that year to defend my position that UNC was our best matchup, but you decided to challenge it and used Houston as your challenge team. The data doesn’t lie. UNC was clearly a better matchup for us.
Brother what Data? Your kenpom rankings? Obviously that data did lie... There were 3 ACC teams in the elite 8 and there would have been 4 had we not beaten UNC in the sweet 16.
Couple that with the fact that the weaker 1 seed Houston lost to 4 seed Duke in the sweet 16, whom UNC had already swept that year.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:22 pm to wm72
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Wish I could have watched. Vandy blew them out while getting punished on the glass 49-33.
I didn’t see the whole game, but they got a decent amount of open 3s. Had the ball moving quickly and FL’s taller players couldn’t rotate fast enough
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:22 pm to GoodTalkRuss
I think it’d be hilarious if this thread broke “As the plains burn” record but it’s just you guys arguing about North Carolina’s 2024 team 
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:34 pm to GoodTalkRuss
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Couple that with the fact that the weaker 1 seed Houston lost to 4 seed Duke in the sweet 16, whom UNC had already swept that year.
Umm, Duke ended the year #7. We ended the year #14 and that was after our Final 4 run. The fact that UNC swept Duke and was a good matchup for UNC has literally no bearing on whether Houston was a weaker 1 seed than UNC or a worse matchup for us.
You’re a good poster and knowledgeable basketball fan. If you truly believe a UNC team that finished 9th was a harder matchup for us due to their front court size than a Houston team that finished 2nd that played a completely opposite tempo and materially more suffocating defense, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:38 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
I think we are there
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:42 pm to GoodTalkRuss
How would you rate the current 1 seeds in order of bad matchups for us (assuming FL is the 4th 1 seed)?
This post was edited on 3/14/26 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:48 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Today is gonna be so annoying when Ole Miss can’t make anything after they were making circus shite all game yesterday
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:52 pm to mistaken4193
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Today is gonna be so annoying when Ole Miss can’t make anything after they were making circus shite all game yesterday
Yeah, so many of those shots they hit 9 of 10 times are 30% over time. They'll make 2/10 today.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 2:57 pm to BamaBravesPackers
I think they are all pretty close to being horrible matchups for Alabama... Duke, no chance against that front line.. Michigan, same...Arizona, I watched them demoralize us in the 2nd half, but I thought it had as much to do with the fact that they just outclassed us at every position with the exception of the PG and that was pretty close to being a push because Bradley is just so good at being a general on the court. I guess I would have to choose UF, just because we possibly have a few positions where we could logically say we are better than them.
Posted on 3/14/26 at 3:10 pm to GoodTalkRuss
Obviously won’t be in Florida’s region. Duke is probably best draw of the other three, they are petty banged up. But being a four, the second round game will be a toss up. Also, maybe a slight outside chance UConn is other one if they win impressively tonight instead of Fla
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