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re: Oklahoma/Texas petition to Join SEC
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:06 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 7/27/21 at 7:06 pm to TideWarrior
Some random thoughts:
Yes, Amazon, Apple, and the other streamers could be huge flies in the ointment if they start bidding for sports. So far, they have kept their checkbooks and their mouths shut. We'll see.
The PAC is in no position to be snooty. BYU is low hanging fruit and would boost the prestige of the conference. Ditto Boise State. Texas Tech and Oklahoma State are probably the best two from the Big XII. Regardless, they'd better get off their arse and do SOMETHING or they will be the next domino to fall. That's a serious mess out there and I don't have an easy fix. The distances out west just gets prohibitive for travel. Pods within divisions would be a great fit for the PAC. Coastal Division: North pod: Washington, Wazzu, Oregon, and Oregon State. South pod: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal.
Mountain Division North pod: Boise St., Colorado, Utah, BYU. South pod: Arizona, ASU, Texas Tech, and Ok State.
North and South pod winners in the semis, division winners in the title game. Few cross division games due to travel involved.
ACC is on shaky ground unless they convince ND to become a full member and maybe snag West Virginia from the Big XII. It's easy to see the Big 10 approaching ND, Syracuse, BC, Duke, UVa, and/or UNC. They probably absorb Kansas for basketball if nothing else and possibly Iowa State. Two more members from the list would fill out the conference.
The SEC could be having talks with UNC, NC State, Va Tech, Clemson, FSU, UVa, Miami, possibly Duke, but not likely, and possibly UCF. It depends on TV money and how big Sankey wants to go. Personally, I'm ready to go back to 1991 and the 10 we had at the time, but that's not happening.
Yes, Amazon, Apple, and the other streamers could be huge flies in the ointment if they start bidding for sports. So far, they have kept their checkbooks and their mouths shut. We'll see.
The PAC is in no position to be snooty. BYU is low hanging fruit and would boost the prestige of the conference. Ditto Boise State. Texas Tech and Oklahoma State are probably the best two from the Big XII. Regardless, they'd better get off their arse and do SOMETHING or they will be the next domino to fall. That's a serious mess out there and I don't have an easy fix. The distances out west just gets prohibitive for travel. Pods within divisions would be a great fit for the PAC. Coastal Division: North pod: Washington, Wazzu, Oregon, and Oregon State. South pod: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal.
Mountain Division North pod: Boise St., Colorado, Utah, BYU. South pod: Arizona, ASU, Texas Tech, and Ok State.
North and South pod winners in the semis, division winners in the title game. Few cross division games due to travel involved.
ACC is on shaky ground unless they convince ND to become a full member and maybe snag West Virginia from the Big XII. It's easy to see the Big 10 approaching ND, Syracuse, BC, Duke, UVa, and/or UNC. They probably absorb Kansas for basketball if nothing else and possibly Iowa State. Two more members from the list would fill out the conference.
The SEC could be having talks with UNC, NC State, Va Tech, Clemson, FSU, UVa, Miami, possibly Duke, but not likely, and possibly UCF. It depends on TV money and how big Sankey wants to go. Personally, I'm ready to go back to 1991 and the 10 we had at the time, but that's not happening.
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:29 pm to phil4bama
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It's easy to see the Big 10 approaching ND
The problem I heard today is that their contract with the ACC states if they decide to join a conference for football it has to be the ACC until at least 2036. After that they could decide to go anywhere.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:47 pm to phil4bama
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Yes, Amazon, Apple, and the other streamers could be huge flies in the ointment if they start bidding for sports.
I read Apple TV is going after NFL Sunday Ticket that currently is in the hands of Direct TV. DTV currently pays 1.5 billion a year for it but with the contract coming up I read Apple TV is willing to pay 2.5 billion for the rights.
Amazon just got the rights to NFL Thursday night games and Prime will be the only place to watch them.
Now rumors are swirling they may try and go after more TV rights with multiple deals coming up in 2024 & 2025.
2024
NASCAR deals expire
NCAA (non-CFP or March Madness) exclusivity with ESPN expires
College Football Playoff exclusivity with ESPN expires
Big Ten deals expire
Pac-12 deal expires
2025
NBA/WNBA deals expire
Notre Dame exclusivity with NBC expires
Big 12 deals expire
Big East deals expire
Posted on 7/27/21 at 10:10 pm to TideWarrior
Posted on 7/28/21 at 7:14 pm to TidalSurge1
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:21 pm to TidalSurge1
I still think this is the most likely realignment -- for increasing TV viewers and attendance.
SEC (16)
E: GA, FLA, UK, SC, TN, Van, UA, AU
W: LSU, A&M, OM, MS, AR, MO, TX, OK
ACC (16)
N: BC, Syr, Pit, VT, VA, Lville, WVU, ND
S. NC, NCS, DU, WF, CL, GT, FSU, Mia
B1G (16)
E: Rtg, MD, PSU, OSU, UM, MS, IN, Pur
W: NW, IL, WI, MN, Iowa, ISU, Neb, Kan
PAC (16)
W: SC, UCLA, Stn, Cal, OR, OS, WA, WS
E: AZ, AS, Utah, CO, TT, TCU, Bay, OkSt
AAC (12) adds BYU & Kan St.
P4 play 11 conf games (4 cross-div rotational). 12th game accommodates rivalries like UGA/GT, UK/Lville, UF/FSU, Clem/SC, OU/OkSt, ND/USC, Utah/BYU, etc. Other compelling inter-conference games would occur in the CFP and bowls.
SEC (16)
E: GA, FLA, UK, SC, TN, Van, UA, AU
W: LSU, A&M, OM, MS, AR, MO, TX, OK
ACC (16)
N: BC, Syr, Pit, VT, VA, Lville, WVU, ND
S. NC, NCS, DU, WF, CL, GT, FSU, Mia
B1G (16)
E: Rtg, MD, PSU, OSU, UM, MS, IN, Pur
W: NW, IL, WI, MN, Iowa, ISU, Neb, Kan
PAC (16)
W: SC, UCLA, Stn, Cal, OR, OS, WA, WS
E: AZ, AS, Utah, CO, TT, TCU, Bay, OkSt
AAC (12) adds BYU & Kan St.
P4 play 11 conf games (4 cross-div rotational). 12th game accommodates rivalries like UGA/GT, UK/Lville, UF/FSU, Clem/SC, OU/OkSt, ND/USC, Utah/BYU, etc. Other compelling inter-conference games would occur in the CFP and bowls.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 3:35 pm to TidalSurge1
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P4 play 11 conf games (4 cross-div rotational).
I think your conferencegroupings make great sense, but within the SEC, and likely others, I see the 4 pods, so play 3 within pod and rotate 2 in other 3 pods, making 9 conference games, plus 2 more for inter-sectional games. You play full conference over two years that way. I think the days of playing Mercer and West Carolina are done. 11 total games cuts out small schools. For our other two we play, say, UCLA and Wisconsin. Florida plays say Florida State and Louisville, etc.. To pay big money, ESPN wants big games. To keep Conference championships and expand playoffs at the same time, we need to cut back a game, so Mercer games are gone.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 4:50 pm to AbSnopes
Posted on 7/29/21 at 5:30 pm to AbSnopes
quote:Tho I like 2 divisions with 11 intraconference games, I do think that 9 intraconference games via 4 pods seems more likely (3 intra-pod opponents plus 6 rotational opponents; 2 from each of the other 3 pods). Either way, you can play all other in-conference teams in 2 seasons, and still play 1-2 good out-of-conf opponents, by eliminating 1-2 lousy "rent-a-win" games vs "cupcake" opponents. It'll result in more competitive games and increased attendance and TV revenues.
I think your conferencegroupings make great sense, but within the SEC, and likely others, I see the 4 pods, so play 3 within pod and rotate 2 in other 3 pods, making 9 conference games, plus 2 more for inter-sectional games. You play full conference over two years that way...
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 8:15 pm to TidalSurge1
This news broke a week ago and they Texas/OU fans have invaded this website.
It's going to get even worse moving forward.
It's going to get even worse moving forward.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 8:29 pm to TideSaint
And not ONE decent poster, all trolls.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 9:38 pm to hnds2th
I didn’t think it was possible, but the Texas fans have been worse then the LSU fans
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:23 pm to 1BamaRTR
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From the SEC:
The Southeastern Conference today announced that the University of Oklahoma and the University of Texas will become members effective July 1, 2025, with competition to begin in all sports for the 2025-26 academic year.
The addition of Oklahoma and Texas will bring the number of SEC members to 16 beginning July 1, 2025. Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee and Vanderbilt have been members since the formation of the SEC in 1933. The Conference has twice previously expanded, adding Arkansas and South Carolina in 1991, followed by Missouri and Texas A&M in 2012.
"The Presidents and Chancellors of the Southeastern Conference are pleased to welcome the University of Oklahoma and the University of Texas," said Jere Morehead, President of the University of Georgia and current President of the SEC. "Both universities are prestigious academic institutions with strong athletics programs similar in tradition, culture and success to our current member universities. We look forward to a productive and successful future together beginning in 2025."
Oklahoma and Texas submitted requests for invitations for membership to the SEC on Tuesday. The Conference's Presidents and Chancellors voted during a meeting conducted by videoconference on Thursday to extend invitations to the two universities. Both universities' Boards of Regents officially accepted the invitations during meetings conducted on Friday morning.
"This is an important moment for the long-term future of the Southeastern Conference and our member universities," said SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey. "Oklahoma and Texas are outstanding academic institutions with two strong athletics programs, which will add to the SEC's national prominence. Their additions will further enhance the already rich academic, athletic and cultural legacies that have been cultivated throughout the years by our existing 14 members. We look forward to the Sooners and Longhorns competing in our Conference starting in the 2025-26 academic year."
Notably, the University of Texas will be the fifth institution in the SEC to hold membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities, joining Florida, Missouri, Texas A&M and Vanderbilt.
"The Southeastern Conference's dedication to the success of our member institutions - and our members' commitment to one another - has produced a sustained level of excellence unrivaled throughout college sports," Sankey added. "It is the unity and collaboration of our institutions that makes the SEC special, and Wednesday's decision of the Texas A&M Board of Regents to approve a vote supportive of Conference membership for their long-time in-state rival is an example of the overall culture of this Conference. I appreciate the opportunity for our Conference to move forward with a spirit of unanimity."
The University of Oklahoma, founded in 1890 and located in Norman, supports a student population of approximately 28,000, including the Health Sciences Center in Oklahoma City and a Tulsa campus. The university offers 170 majors. In athletics, Oklahoma has won 39 national team championships dating back to its first in wrestling in 1936. Its first women's team national title came in softball in 2000.
The Sooners sponsor 21 varsity sports. Men's sports include football, cross country, indoor and outdoor track & field, basketball, golf, tennis, baseball, gymnastics and wrestling. Women's sports include volleyball, soccer, cross country, indoor and outdoor track & field, basketball, gymnastics, golf, tennis, softball and rowing. Oklahoma participates in every sport sponsored by the SEC except men's and women's swimming & diving and equestrian. The SEC sponsors every sport in which the Sooners participate except women's rowing, men's gymnastics and wrestling.
The University of Texas, founded in 1883 and located in Austin, supports approximately 51,000 students across 18 colleges and schools. In athletics, Texas has won 58 national team championships dating back to its first in baseball in 1949. Its first women's team national title came in swimming & diving in 1981.
The Longhorns sponsor 20 varsity sports. Men's sports include football, cross country, indoor and outdoor track & field, swimming & diving, basketball, golf, tennis and baseball. Women's sports include volleyball, soccer, cross country, indoor and outdoor track & field, swimming & diving, basketball, golf, tennis, softball and rowing. Texas participates in every sport sponsored by the SEC except women's gymnastics and equestrian. The SEC sponsors every sport in which the Longhorns participate except women's rowing.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 1:43 pm to TidalSurge1
Conference realignment: Big 12, Pac-12 commissioners meeting about possible merger, scheduling agreement (247)
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 8/4/21 at 4:58 am to 1BamaRTR
Texas has always had the worst fanbase. at least LSU fans can laugh at themselves.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:53 am to TidalSurge1
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:38 am to RiverCityTider
if you're Sankey or a university president, Texas and Oklahoma aren't so much schools or football teams, they're tv markets. remember they just sold exclusive broadcast rights to ESPN starting in 24. they want that partnership to be as lucrative as possible.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:58 am to Notorious1918
the kool thing about the pod system. each conference could have a 4 team playoff for conference champ then all 4 conf champs go play in the cfp. eliminating the committee. i like that, a lot.
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