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re: Official Coaching Search Thread: The Search Is Over

Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:01 am to
Posted by Bear88
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:01 am to
Yea but aren’t off the field positions significantly a lot lower on the pay scale?
Posted by alabamabuckeye
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:05 am to
So has Lake turned us down yet?
Posted by FWBFLlaw
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:07 am to
So a post that he turned down the interview. Not sure what really happened, but the ship has sailed on Lake. Pun intended.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:13 am to
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Yea but aren’t off the field positions significantly a lot lower on the pay scale?


If Coach Saban plans for someone else (e.g., Sunseri, Roach, Davis...) to coach DL, perhaps Kugliowski could be in an off-field role until he finds a landing spot somewhere. Instead of firing a well-respected coach and potentially paying a buyout to do so, Bama might even collect some buyout when he's hired away.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 10:14 am
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:14 am to
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I think you only spend a spot on a QB coach if you can get someone like an Enos who is truly a top level QB coach. Otherwise, especially in order to win next year, an ILB coach is far more valuable to us. Sark can do both for Tua/Lia. 
I am with you that a QB coach now that a 10th spot is open is very valuable and for the 2020 staff I believe saban will have a dedicated qb coach for Tyson/Lia/Whoever we get as an incoming freshman. 

Also OLB/ILB are such different positions for us in terms of what we need from them, unless we are hiring an elite linebackers coach, we are sacrificing pass rushing or ILB play to put them both under one coach in a year when we will need a ton of specialized coaching for Moses who will be the signal caller and probably Kaho.


I don't disagree about ILB improvement being a priority and about OLB and ILB being different, but you're making a really big assumption about our DCs or OLBs lack of skill coaching LBs. You're assuming Sark can coach the QBs at a high level, a responsibility which he hasn't had in many, many years, and making the opposite assumption that the DC or OLB coach we get doesn't coach ILBs well.

This does not compute.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 10:15 am
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:18 am to
Just so everyone is clear: the last time Sark coached QBs was 2008 - 11 years ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Sarkisian
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 10:19 am
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13206 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:18 am to
I don’t imagine he would have a problem finding a spot . Seems odd to me the whole deal. If I was not welcome back, I would be hunting a job now
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:27 am to
I read that Kugliowski was in the mix for the NIU HC job, but someone else was hired. Maybe he's quietly seeking other opportunities too. Saban might even be helping him some in that regard. He helped Tosh find a landing spot that should allow him to ultimately advance his career.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 10:36 am
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13206 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:28 am to
Yea I saw that. They haven’t made a decision yet?

Somebody else we were after was a candidate too I thought I read somewhere
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 10:29 am
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 10:35 am to
OLBs have their own position coach because their skill set required to play is different than that of either ILBs or DL. Letting them be coached by either of those others would be neglecting coaching them on skills they need.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 11:05 am to
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Tim Watts said two sources have mentioned that VT WR coach Holmon Wiggins may interview for the WR coach opening. He said it does not mean that Lance Taylor isn't still a top candidate. Tim said Saban is being very thorough in searching for and vetting candidates before finalizing hires.

There's some chatter that Wiggins may get the Temple OC job.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 11:07 am
Posted by crimsontater
Trenton GA
Member since Dec 2009
3732 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 11:09 am to
thomas hammock hired as niu hc 3 days ago
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4361 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 11:12 am to
LINK

Another name emerged for wide receiver spot
Posted by crimsonblazer
Member since Jul 2011
1387 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 11:14 am to
Did Kool not just interview for the NIU head coach job? To me that means he doesn’t want to go off the field.
Posted by Tider95
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2017
2137 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 11:20 am to
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Did Kool not just interview for the NIU head coach job? To me that means he doesn’t want to go off the field.


He probably also doesn't want the fired tag though and it appears we are hiring a better recruiter at that spot (sunseri or davis).
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 11:28 am
Posted by Bama3714
Alabama
Member since Feb 2015
5128 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:09 pm to
Lake definitely didn't decline the interview. He was on campus interviewing.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:14 pm to
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OLBs have their own position coach because their skill set required to play is different than that of either ILBs or DL. Letting them be coached by either of those others would be neglecting coaching them on skills they need.


I don't disagree that their skill set is different, but Safeties and Corners are very different, and one coach coaches them. Defensive Tackles and Ends are different, and one coach coaches them. Offensive Tackles, Guards, and Centers are different, and one coach coaches them. H, Y, and Split End are very different, and one coach coaches them.

Simply put, it's illogical to insinuate that OLBs require a dedicated position coach moreso than QBs. It's just crazy.

If my option is that either my OLB group is coached together with the ILBs (or DLine) OR my QB coach is also the OC, then I'm going with the former as it is much, MUCH more preferable to my QBs being "coached" by a person who's frequently not even present during both practices as well as games.

How can you not bat an eye at the QB coach doing double duty with the HUGE responsibility of being OC, but an OLB coach doing double duty of also coaching the ILBs is just crazy? Gimme a break. frick it. Give me all of them. All the breaks in the universe.

Also, let's not act like "OLB" is super different from "ILB". The reality is that Jack is very different from Mike, Will, and Sam. Sam is pretty similar to Will, and Sam doesn't even play much anymore. And if DE's in the 4-3 can be coached by the DLine coach, I see no reason why the Jack can't be coached by the same guy as well.

Given how much Bama has struggled under Saban at the QB position, I'm stunned that so many here scoff at the idea of having a dedicated QB coach - especially after seeing how much of a difference it made with Enos. And contrary to popular opinion, Enos was a good coach. But he wasn't magical or a god.

And Sark hasn't coached QBs since I was in my 20s, and I turned 40 last year.

Posted by Tider95
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2017
2137 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:17 pm to
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Lake definitely didn't decline the interview. He was on campus interviewing.



Yeah that has been confirmed multiple times now... maybe he turned down a second interview after UW dropped the bag for him?
Posted by Tider95
Tuscaloosa
Member since Dec 2017
2137 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:21 pm to
I don't see why we would waste a spot on a dedicated QB coach when quite frankly Tua could stay the exact same next year and we will be a much better team all around. The point is that because Golding is not an linebackers coach, we need a coach who can actually focus on that position whereas Sark is a well regarded QB coach who is close with the Tagavialoa family. Next year when we are breaking in a new qb, yes we need a dedicated coach, but until then I am much more concerned with winning a natty this year and a QB coach doesn't make as big an impact as an elite linebacker coach.
Posted by CrimsonFlounder
Gulf Coast
Member since Feb 2011
1057 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:34 pm to
I actually agree. OLBs can also split time with DL and LBs coaches. Pass rushing technique from DL and coverage and run fits from LB.
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