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Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
Freddie keeps moving up the ladder, so obviously he's doing something right. I'm not sure how I'd feel about Vlachos. That would definitely be a boom or bust type hire. If he's good he'd stay for a while, but he has practically zero track record and I just don't see Saban making a move like that.
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:50 am to SummerOfGeorge
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What is Freddie's reputation as a DL coach and recruiter? I have no clue?
Dunno. Looks like he did pretty well at South Alabama as DE/OLB coach; two of his players in that group were all conference in his short stint there...
Hard to tell about his stint in Ole Miss as there doesn't seem to be a stockpile of talent to work with on that side of the ball since he's been there. Read where he was instrumental in Ole Miss signing 6 DLs last year, but not sure of their ranking...
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:58 am to OldPete
Matt Zenitz is tweeting that the Falcons OL Coach, Kyle Flood, is a name to watch. Not sure that we will go well on the board based upon some the conversations about Sark sucking with the Falcons.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:00 am to FWBFLlaw
Bring back Jeff Stoutland. He won the Super Bowl with the Eagles last year as the OL coach.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:05 am to FWBFLlaw
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Matt Zenitz is tweeting that the Falcons OL Coach, Kyle Flood, is a name to watch. Not sure that we will go well on the board based upon some the conversations about Sark sucking with the Falcons.
That especially won’t go over well with multiple people saying the reason for Sark’s failure in Atlanta was the poor OL play. That hire doesn’t make any sense. I think it’s a smoke screen or someone just pulling a name out of their arse or trying to help Flood get a raise.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:06 am to FWBFLlaw
I've seen Flood's name floating around. He wasn't the OL coach, he was just the assistant OL coach. And the Falcons OL was ravaged with injuries from day 1 so it isnt really fair to judge him on that. He's supposed to be a quality line coach dating back to his time with Schiano at Rutgers. He has some questionable NCAA dtuff in his background, though.
Also, I didnt want to jump into the massive Sark debate, but as a pretty hardcore Falcons fan I'll add my 2 cents. Sark was a disaster in 2017 - he seemed to try to force himself to do things that weren't comfortable and kind of play to a narrative. It was a disaster.
Sark in 2018 was pretty good. He dialed up nice matchup plays and really did a solid job working around a OL that was a mash unit and losing a Pro Bowl RB for basically the entire season. There were times where we struggled for stretches, but overall the offense for stretches resembled the Shannahan offense of 2016. The red zone "issues" in 2018 were much more due to turnovers than poor play calling like 2017. We struggled against really good defenses who could overwhelm our front because the line was backups and Tevin Coleman is a nice back but not an everydown between the tackles guy. We basically were forced to go shotgun 4 wide and even with Atlanta's wideouts you are fricked at that point against good NFL defenses.
So, I'm not sure it's my 1st choice but its definitely not a disaster and he's a very good recruiter and QB coach on top of that. All in all a pretty decent choice IMHO.
Also, I didnt want to jump into the massive Sark debate, but as a pretty hardcore Falcons fan I'll add my 2 cents. Sark was a disaster in 2017 - he seemed to try to force himself to do things that weren't comfortable and kind of play to a narrative. It was a disaster.
Sark in 2018 was pretty good. He dialed up nice matchup plays and really did a solid job working around a OL that was a mash unit and losing a Pro Bowl RB for basically the entire season. There were times where we struggled for stretches, but overall the offense for stretches resembled the Shannahan offense of 2016. The red zone "issues" in 2018 were much more due to turnovers than poor play calling like 2017. We struggled against really good defenses who could overwhelm our front because the line was backups and Tevin Coleman is a nice back but not an everydown between the tackles guy. We basically were forced to go shotgun 4 wide and even with Atlanta's wideouts you are fricked at that point against good NFL defenses.
So, I'm not sure it's my 1st choice but its definitely not a disaster and he's a very good recruiter and QB coach on top of that. All in all a pretty decent choice IMHO.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:16 am to phil4bama
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That especially won’t go over well with multiple people saying the reason for Sark’s failure in Atlanta was the poor OL play. That hire doesn’t make any sense. I think it’s a smoke screen or someone just pulling a name out of their arse or trying to help Flood get a raise.
The OL was a problem because they were grabbing guys off other teams practice squads to field a unit. They were killed injuries in 2018, especially the OL.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:24 am to CapstoneGrad06
I just want to throw in some Advanced Stats from Football Outsider. 2016 was the Super Bowl year for the Falcons in which they were as good on offense as many have been in the NFL recently for the last half of the season, as a reference point. That team also had the best offensive line Atlanta has had in a decade and a healthy for the entire season Devonta Freeman (had neither in 2018).
2016 - Shanahan
2017 - Sarkisian
2018 - Sarkisian
Yards Per Drive
2016 - #1 (40.53)
2017 - #2 (36.87)
2018 - #4 (37.97)
Pts Per Drive
2016 - #1 (3.06)
2017 - #7 (2.17)
2018 - #6 (2.42)
Drive Success Rate
2016 - #1 (77.8%)
2017 - #2 (72.8%)
2018 - #6 (74.9%)
The teams ahead of Atlanta in these stats in 2018 are the Chiefs, Saints, Rams and Steelers. He had a pretty damn good season considering the defensive issues, OL mash unit and loss of the bell cow at RB.
2016 - Shanahan
2017 - Sarkisian
2018 - Sarkisian
Yards Per Drive
2016 - #1 (40.53)
2017 - #2 (36.87)
2018 - #4 (37.97)
Pts Per Drive
2016 - #1 (3.06)
2017 - #7 (2.17)
2018 - #6 (2.42)
Drive Success Rate
2016 - #1 (77.8%)
2017 - #2 (72.8%)
2018 - #6 (74.9%)
The teams ahead of Atlanta in these stats in 2018 are the Chiefs, Saints, Rams and Steelers. He had a pretty damn good season considering the defensive issues, OL mash unit and loss of the bell cow at RB.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 10:32 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:28 am to SummerOfGeorge
Sounds like Flood is the leader for the o line, wonder if he wants back in college football
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:30 am to UltimaParadox
Damn... Sark as a hire is fine, but would've loved to get Silverfield on board and that probably needed long. What is floods best O-line he has been directly responsible for?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:31 am to Tider95
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What is floods best O-line he has been directly responsible for?
Rutgers under Schiano I'd guess. I have no knowledge of those teams outside of the general knowledge of them being pretty decent overall.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:32 am to SummerOfGeorge
I know they pulled respectable classes for their relative position in the cfb universe but I don't remember the Oline being particularly awesome. (From the Tampa area so I kept up with USF and their competition for most of my life on the side).
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:33 am to Tider95
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What is floods best O-line he has been directly responsible for?
That Rutgers 2012 team when he was head coach won the big East
His show clause is up this year, so he will have no recruiting restrictions
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:39 am to Tider95
My guess is Flood is a more West Coast/Pro Style O-line coach where Silverfield's background in spread run/RPO.
It seems like we're looking to get back to more base 1 back/pistol stuff than our running game being basically based around RPOs. Doesnt mean we won't do RPOs, but I doubt it'll be our base play anymore. I think Saban sees that as a direct reason we aren't able to impose our will up front like we may have in the past.
Which I'm good with.
It seems like we're looking to get back to more base 1 back/pistol stuff than our running game being basically based around RPOs. Doesnt mean we won't do RPOs, but I doubt it'll be our base play anymore. I think Saban sees that as a direct reason we aren't able to impose our will up front like we may have in the past.
Which I'm good with.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:39 am to UltimaParadox
As someone who worked on the academic side, him trying to directly contact a professor to change grades skeeves me out, but it does look like he has a decent track record.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:40 am to Tider95
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As someone who worked on the academic side, him trying to directly contact a professor to change grades skeeves me out, but it does look like he has a decent track record.
Yea his NCAA issues are not Bo Davis I broke a stupid rule and lied about it. They are legitimately bad.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
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It seems like we're looking to get back to more base 1 back/pistol stuff than our running game being basically based around RPOs. Doesnt mean we won't do RPOs, but I doubt it'll be our base play anymore. I think Saban sees that as a direct reason we aren't able to impose our will up front like we may have in the past.
This would make sense with Saban's comments about how the OL often doesn't know what to do as far as pass vs. run blocking on the RPO plays and it affecting the run game.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:46 am to Robot Santa
Yep - I mean just think about it logically. The OL cannot be aggressive in punishing a defender in that scheme. It's just not the way the play works. The play is based on reading the D and that creating the space. The OL is basically pass blocking on every play.
So, when that's what you do 75% of the time, it's totally understandable than the small amount of time you need to line up and drive someone back you aren't nearly as good/used to it.
So, when that's what you do 75% of the time, it's totally understandable than the small amount of time you need to line up and drive someone back you aren't nearly as good/used to it.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 10:47 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
Would you want Stoutland back?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
It also depends on the style of offense in question. Gus runs a lot of RPO stuff at Auburn, but because that offense is based on a RB dive their OL run blocks on pretty much every play and struggles in obvious passing situations. Because ours was based on slants and out routes our OL got used to pass blocking on all of those plays and then ends up struggling on obvious running downs because they became a finesse unit.
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