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re: Off-Topic: Governor’s Race
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:24 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:24 pm to JustGetItRight
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Bookmark it. There won’t be a runoff.
Probably not, but that will mean people who consider themselves conservative voted for her.
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Posted on 2/18/22 at 9:18 am to imjustafatkid
quote:OH really?
This is actually more true for Mo Brooks, as he's actually been in DC while she has been in Alabama for a number of years now. Richard Shelby won't be running up to DC to introduce her to people. He's retiring because he doesn't want to be there anymore.
"In 2015, Katie took a leave of absence from the firm to serve as Senator Shelby’s deputy campaign manager and communications director. After his successful bid for re-election, she rejoined Shelby’s team as chief of staff in 2016."
So as Chief-of-Staff for over FIVE years, she doesn't already know the people in D.C. to go to to get things done, EVENTHOUGH Shelby did, huh?
Man, PLEASE!
Posted on 2/18/22 at 10:36 am to imjustafatkid
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Our state senators offices (Sessions and Shelby) vetted the judges Trump nominated to federal courts here. Tell me how that worked out for the map redistricting.
Judges wear black robes for a reason.
Posted on 2/18/22 at 10:42 am to coachcrisp
to me one of the biggest differences between Brooks and Britt has to do with federal pork barrel waste. Both will obviously say they are against it. Brooks, I believe has said he would not even take any of the money from the federal gov. because he is against waste. Im pretty sure Britt will say if they are giving it away, Alabama should fight for its share. And obviously Shelby, with his seniority was able to get huge amounts directed to universities in Alabama. Im pretty sure Brooks said Shelby should not have accepted the US gov handouts because it was pork barrel spending.
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 10:45 am
Posted on 2/18/22 at 11:25 am to IB4bama
quote:I have a very, very low opinion of Mo, but even I don't think he would say this. If he did, he is the dumbest human being on the planet.
Alabama. Im pretty sure Brooks said Shelby should not have accepted the US gov handouts because it was pork barrel spending.
Given that the financial stability of this state (and Huntsville in particular) depends on federal spending, I suppose it's time for GOP candidates to go back to their careful differentiating between the "government waste" that happens in other states versus the "essential projects" that happen in ours.
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 11:26 am
Posted on 2/18/22 at 12:39 pm to coachcrisp
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So as Chief-of-Staff for over FIVE years, she doesn't already know the people in D.C. to go to to get things done, EVENTHOUGH Shelby did, huh?
She's been CEO and president of the Business Council of Alabama for years now. She has not been in DC, she's been in Montgomery.
Posted on 2/18/22 at 12:40 pm to Chuck Barris
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Given that the financial stability of this state (and Huntsville in particular) depends on federal spending
This is 100% false. The reality is that federal government programs rely on federal government funds in this state. We are not at all reliant on the federal government to function. All of that headline-grabbing nonsense is meant to direct your ire from the states who are actually reliant on the federal government.
ETA: The federal government funding federal programs and federal entities is not an Alabama problem, and the state would be just fine without them.
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 2/18/22 at 3:49 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:Just so we're clear, are you arguing that Alabama's economy would be just fine without TVA, NASA, Redstone Arsenal, Maxwell Air Force Base, Fort Rucker, the Anniston Army Depot, and the federally funded research at our universities, or are you arguing that Alabama's economy would be just fine without Medicare, WIC, SNAP, Social Security, and 70% of Medicaid?
The federal government funding federal programs and federal entities is not an Alabama problem, and the state would be just fine without them.
Posted on 2/18/22 at 5:25 pm to Chuck Barris
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Just so we're clear, are you arguing that Alabama's economy would be just fine without TVA, NASA, Redstone Arsenal, Maxwell Air Force Base, Fort Rucker, the Anniston Army Depot, and the federally funded research at our universities, or are you arguing that Alabama's economy would be just fine without Medicare, WIC, SNAP, Social Security, and 70% of Medicaid?
Yes. This is absolutely not in doubt whatsoever.
That being said, my statement was more about the folks who claim Alabama is a drain on the federal government in terms of taxes. The reality is that couldn't be further from the truth. That is the first thing that comes to my mind when someone says "the financial stability of the state," which is exactly what you said and I responded to and is not how most people would refer to "the economy." From my perspective, you moved the goalposts after you got challenged on your statement.
ETA clarity
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 2/18/22 at 6:23 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:It wasn't my intention at all to play semantics.
From my perspective, you moved the goalposts after you got challenged on your statement.
If I've been unclear, the point I'm trying to make is that Alabama is a huge beneficiary of federal spending through agencies such as TVA, NASA, Defense, etc, and Huntsville in particular is a city built on the back of NASA and Redstone Arsenal. To me, the claim that Alabama wouldn't suffer (as in unemployment, lower tax revenues, possible state budget deficits, educated workers leaving the state) without that spending makes about as much sense as claiming that the city of Tuscaloosa would be largely unaffected if the University of Alabama moved to Montgomery.
Shelby's seniority and ability to direct federal money into Alabama has been an enormous boon to the state, and I'm not sure how it's possible to argue with that. That money is going to be spent somewhere. I'm glad it's been spent in Alabama and I'd like for that to continue.
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 2/18/22 at 7:17 pm to imjustafatkid
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So as Chief-of-Staff for over FIVE years, she doesn't already know the people in D.C. to go to to get things done, EVENTHOUGH Shelby did, huh?
She's been CEO and president of the Business Council of Alabama for years now. She has not been in DC, she's been in Montgomery.
She's been Shelby's Chief-of-Staff for FIVE YEARS!
Do you honestly think that she's been in Alabama serving Shelby as Chief-of-Staff instead of being in D.C. for the last five years?
Posted on 2/18/22 at 7:48 pm to coachcrisp
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Do you honestly think that she's been in Alabama serving Shelby as Chief-of-Staff instead of being in D.C. for the last five years?
100%. I've seen her speak a number of times during that period as the head of the Business Council of Alabama. She's been in Montgomery lobbying the state government.
ETA: She was hired as CEO of the BCA in December 2018 and she stopped being Shelby's Chief of Staff at that point.
Since you obviously won't believe me even though I clearly know more about state politics, here's a Politico article where this is mentioned.
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Britt, who was Shelby's chief of staff from 2016 until 2018, entered the Senate race this week. She also served as a press aide for him earlier in her career. Most recently she's led the Business Council of Alabama. She told The Associated Press that Shelby's six-term legacy is one that will be remembered for being "effective for the state of Alabama."
Does she know some people in DC? Absolutely. Are we really supposed to believe DC is the same place it was in 2018? Man I surely hope not. COVID, BLM...Trump impeachments? SC nominees? I mean, it is a completely different world since then.
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 2/18/22 at 7:55 pm to Chuck Barris
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If I've been unclear, the point I'm trying to make is that Alabama is a huge beneficiary of federal spending through agencies such as TVA, NASA, Defense, etc, and Huntsville in particular is a city built on the back of NASA and Redstone Arsenal.
No doubt. Those are great boons to our economy and I'm not going to claim they aren't, but I am also not going to pretend we'd be destitute without them. The federal government is going to do things like this and I don't view us as a state that needs to beg them for it. At this point, I'm not sure it would be difficult for anyone to sell Huntsville for the NASA/space stuff.
Posted on 2/18/22 at 7:59 pm to imjustafatkid
I really don’t want to vote for grandma. I think that she’s awful
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:27 pm to imjustafatkid
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Those are great boons to our economy and I'm not going to claim they aren't, but I am also not going to pretend we'd be destitute without them. The federal government is going to do things like this and I don't view us as a state that needs to beg them for it. At this point, I'm not sure it would be difficult for anyone to sell Huntsville for the NASA/space stuff.
Are they still planning to put Space Force Command in H'vlle? I know Brandon was trying to walk it back because they hate Mo Brooks
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:49 pm to 14&Counting
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Are they still planning to put Space Force Command in H'vlle? I know Brandon was trying to walk it back because they hate red states
FIFY
ETA: Looks to me like it's just Colorado legislators pushing for this. I thought the same as you that Biden was playing partisan politics with this, but right now I can't actually find any comments from Biden about Space Command at all. LINK
ETA2: Looks like the Colorado delegation is playing some politics and acting like they're doing something by trying to force the Space Command to stay in Colorado until the GOA conducts "an investigation into the decision to move to Alabama," but that investigation is set to complete this year and the Space Command wasn't set to move until next year, at the earliest, after and environmental study is completed. They're just pulling a fast one to say "we tried."
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 2/18/22 at 9:26 pm to JustGetItRight
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Bookmark it. There won’t be a runoff.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but she’s hovering above 50% right now. One could say that’s her high watermark. Not out of the realm of possibility that she will naturally come down from that. Then if someone gets her 1 on 1 in a runoff, she can’t hide In a bubble.
Again, it’s pretty amazing that we have a thread full of Alabama voters in this thread that kind of cover the right side of the spectrum, and there are no Ivey fans. Yet we’re sitting here talking about how she’s going to win convincingly.
Posted on 2/18/22 at 10:20 pm to FairhopeTider
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Again, it’s pretty amazing that we have a thread full of Alabama voters in this thread that kind of cover the right side of the spectrum, and there are no Ivey fans. Yet we’re sitting here talking about how she’s going to win convincingly.
We've all lived here long enough to realize Bama voters seem to vote in people with name recognition above all else.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 6:02 am to FairhopeTider
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Again, it’s pretty amazing that we have a thread full of Alabama voters in this thread that kind of cover the right side of the spectrum, and there are no Ivey fans. Yet we’re sitting here talking about how she’s going to win convincingly.
The power of the incumbency is strong. You have to give people a reason to make a change and then present an alternative that looks better. Even if Ivey were more vulnerable, take a look at the opponents
Only a couple have held elected office at any level and most don’t even have a Wikipedia page. You gonna run for Governor yet can’t manage to get a free Wiki page set up?
People aren’t going to switch from what they view as harmless meemaw to a guy famous for being Fob’s son or a lady who switched over from the senate race because Trump told her to.
Ivey is going to win easily because candidates that may have been able to challenge her looked at what it would cost, where it would put them politically if they lost, and decided the better option was to wait on 2026 when it will be an open seat.
This post was edited on 2/19/22 at 6:03 am
Posted on 2/19/22 at 6:45 am to JustGetItRight
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The power of the incumbency is strong.
In my state the incumbents in the governors mansion and legislature are attempting to stop their opposition from fundraising while they (the incumbents) are at work. If it actually happens, I'm sure it will be tried elsewhere in the not distant future.
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