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re: Off Topic: Governor's race. Walt Maddox vs. Kay Ivey
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:04 pm to McGregor
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:04 pm to McGregor
I am saying the same type of smear campaign would have happened regardless of the person. The allegations may have been different but the end goal and tactics would have been the same.
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Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:16 pm to The Spleen
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Nevermind that Gorsuch sailed through without much resistance from the Dems.
He replaced Scalia. Reliable conservative for reliable conservative.
This one replaces Kennedy. A young conservative for a swing vote that leans left on social issues. That alone turns the court right for maybe a decade. Now, Ginsberg is 85 and Breyer is 80 so as long as conservatives control the Senate you will not get a hard left replacement for them no matter who is President. A Kennedy type is far more likely.
Odds are good this appointment sets the direction of the court for at least the next 20 years.
That is why this seat gets the fight where the other did not.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:16 pm to JustGetItRight
He'll pay a price but it is all a part of the tightrope that he knows he'll be walking. If he were to support Kav, he'd lose the base that got him elected: black women who historically don't vote.
He'll break from the dems on key issues, especially when it comes to finicial deregulation (which has had already) and gun regulations, but he couldn't possibly vote yes in a tight vote on a far-right judge that a lot of people believe to have committed sexual assualt, especially considering Jones' past as a prosecutor.
He'll break from the dems on key issues, especially when it comes to finicial deregulation (which has had already) and gun regulations, but he couldn't possibly vote yes in a tight vote on a far-right judge that a lot of people believe to have committed sexual assualt, especially considering Jones' past as a prosecutor.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:47 pm to JustGetItRight
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He replaced Scalia. Reliable conservative for reliable conservative.
There is no rule that says a vacated SC seat has to be filled with a judge with similar views, so not sure what your point is here. Republicans held that seat open for over 250 days, for purely political purposes. Some had even vowed to keep it open if Hillary had won the election. Dems had every reason to vehemently oppose that nomination, yet really didn't. So the argument that they'd oppose any nominee rings hollow. This is simply a flawed candidate, and much of the support he is getting from conservatives is simply because of the opposition he is getting from Dems.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 1:56 pm to The Spleen
There is no rule, but there are political realities, and the reality in this situation is that the seat is a valuable one.
As far as the other seat being open, the Rs controlled the Senate. They could have chosen to simply hold a hearing and vote BHO’s nominee down.
As far as the other seat being open, the Rs controlled the Senate. They could have chosen to simply hold a hearing and vote BHO’s nominee down.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 3:35 pm to JustGetItRight
Trump should've nominated someone from institute for Justice. It's time we have a libertarian in the court. This left wing, right wing business.....it's all the same bird!
Posted on 10/4/18 at 3:45 pm to The Spleen
SCOTUS nominations aren't typically this charged. Jones would have voted for Kavanaugh if the only topic of discussion was his work.
The idea that Jones is some raging liberal just over this one no vote is asinine.
The idea that Jones is some raging liberal just over this one no vote is asinine.
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 10/4/18 at 4:42 pm to stomp
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The idea that Jones is some raging liberal just over this one no vote is asinine.
That's the strategy though and it works. They succesfully labeled Obama as a "socialist"
Posted on 10/4/18 at 5:38 pm to stomp
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The idea that Jones is some raging liberal just over this one no vote is asinine.
Sure. We could also look at the way he votes on everything else and come to the same conclusion, though.
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Jones would have voted for Kavanaugh if the only topic of discussion was his work.
Should be voting for him anyway. There is only one reason to vote no, and that reason is politcal.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 5:46 pm to The Spleen
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Dems had every reason to vehemently oppose that nomination, yet really didn't.
You're so deceptive. Republicans had to change Senate rules to get Gorsuch through.
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 10/4/18 at 5:47 pm to The Spleen
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Nevermind that Gorsuch sailed through without much resistance from the Dems.
We just rewrite history around here.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 6:00 pm to imjustafatkid
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Should be voting for him anyway. There is only one reason to vote no, and that reason is politcal.
He committed fricking perjury. There is nothing political about that.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 6:04 pm to Robot Santa
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He committed fricking perjury. There is nothing political about that.
No. He did not. Stop believing nonsense you read on Twitter.
ETA: Seems Ford may have though.
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 10/4/18 at 6:26 pm to imjustafatkid
Nonsense I read on Twitter? He claimed, under oath, that a devil's triangle is a drinking game. That isn't true. No one, anywhere, ever, has played a drinking game with quarters called devil's triangle. Because that isn't a drinking game. It's a sexual reference. And not only do we know it isn't true, we know he knows it isn't true because his college roommate has stated that he heard Kavanaugh use the term to refer to the sexual act it actually refers to. He lied about a sexual reference in his yearbook because it would make him look bad. If he's willing to lie about something that trivial, he has no place in his current position, much less the Supreme Court.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 6:29 pm to Robot Santa
His friend who invented the game provided a sworn statement stating it is a drinking game he created.
You are wrong.
ETA: There's even a description of how it's played. LINK
You can choose not to believe them, but this is clearly not perjury.
You are wrong.
ETA: There's even a description of how it's played. LINK
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In a letter released by Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Delancey Davis, Bernard McCarthy Jr., Paul Murray and Matthew Quinn said the game was a variation on quarters.
"When we played 'Devil’s Triangle,' four people sat at a table. On the table, three small glasses of beer were arranged next to one another to form a triangle. Each of the four participants took turns being the “shooter," they wrote. "The shooter attempted to bounce a quarter into one of the glasses. If the quarter landed in one of the glasses, the person at the table sitting nearest that glass had to drink the beer."
You can choose not to believe them, but this is clearly not perjury.
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 10/4/18 at 6:41 pm to imjustafatkid
So it went from a "drinking game" to a sexual reference during the summer between highschool and his freshman year at Yale? OK. You just keep on believing that. And this doesn't even begin to get into all the bullshitting about his drinking habits, "boofing", Renate alumnus, etc. At best his entire testimony was purposefully misleading, unprofessional, and hostile. He has no business being on the Supreme Court.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 6:44 pm to Robot Santa
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At best his entire testimony was purposefully misleading, unprofessional, and hostile. He has no business being on the Supreme Court.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 8:38 pm to imjustafatkid
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Dems had every reason to vehemently oppose that nomination, yet really didn't.
You're so deceptive. Republicans had to change Senate rules to get Gorsuch through.
Talk about rewriting history.
Reid changed the rules...the Republicans merely extended the rules change to SCOTUS.
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 10/4/18 at 8:42 pm to stomp
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The idea that Jones is some raging liberal just over this one no vote is asinine.
"Jones said he's a "firm believer that a woman should have to freedom to choose what happens to her own body" and that he opposed a ban on abortions after the 20th week of gestation, which is a bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives and now under consideration in the Senate.
Alabama law allows abortions to be performed as late as 22 weeks into a pregnancy.
"I'm not in favor of anything that is going to infringe on a woman's right and her freedom to choose," Jones said in the MSNBC interview.
LINK
Unrestricted abortion on demand is as far to left as anyone can be.
Posted on 10/4/18 at 8:44 pm to The Spleen
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There is no way Jones votes yes for any appointee
Well that's not really true. He's voted in favor of most, if not all, of the judicial nominees that have been voted on.
Completely irrelevant. SCOTUS is a different animal. Only 36 Dems voted against his confirmation in 2006.
This post was edited on 10/4/18 at 8:47 pm
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