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re: Off Topic: Governor's race. Walt Maddox vs. Kay Ivey
Posted on 7/29/18 at 3:51 pm to amders44
Posted on 7/29/18 at 3:51 pm to amders44
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Democratic Party is controlled by the Soros wing of the party and they push extremely left wing ideals like Socialism, higher taxes, expanded social programs, open borders etc. etc.
That is absurd. The party last nominated Obama and Hillary, who are both *very* centrist.
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Posted on 7/29/18 at 3:54 pm to Fells
It's well documented that Soros donated to both, and recently he expressed disappointment in Obama in spite of the $$$$ he gave. Those two aren't centrist, they're corporatist.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 3:57 pm to RollTide4Ever
If you think Obama and Hilary are centrist then there is no point in even talking about that, no one thinks that. It is like saying Nick Saban prefers wide open passing offense compared to ground and pound.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 3:58 pm to amders44
Remember it is called Obama care, the most left wing policy by far ever introduced by any President.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 4:30 pm to amders44
Dude, just stop.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 4:50 pm to pvilleguru
You are right, I would much rather discuss Alabama Football, and it is much more important to me than politics have ever been or ever will be.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 5:34 pm to amders44
Tim Kaine would be someone that would fit the centrist label, IMO.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 6:00 pm to amders44
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no one thinks that
No, literally anyone who knows anything understands that.
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Remember it is called Obama care, the most left wing policy by far ever introduced by any President.
Forcing everyone to buy a product from private companies is not a "left wing" policy by any measure.
Posted on 7/29/18 at 7:09 pm to Fells
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Forcing everyone to buy a product from private companies is not a "left wing" policy by any measure.
Right. I guess the state of Alabama is left wing for requiring all drivers have (gulp) ... car insurance
Posted on 7/29/18 at 7:40 pm to stomp
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I guess the state of Alabama is left wing for requiring all drivers have (gulp) ... car insurance
Right. But see, the government doesn't force you to own a car. It is a "choice", because you can totally get around as a successful member of society without a car in the state of Alabama.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:01 pm to JustGetItRight
Just read an opinion piece on Yellowhammer News that made sense in that let’s say Ivey agreed to a debate, what difference would it make? When was the last time a statewide debate moved the needle and was watched by more than a small audience?
I now kind of think that it’s the smart thing for Ivey to debate Maddox. Even if it’s worst case scenario where Maddox looks great in comparison and she came off as a bumbling idiot, would it really change anything? However, doing so removed that talking point from Maddox’s campaign and kind of leaves him with nothing. Just agreed to a debate on APT on Friday night and recite a bunch of talking points.
I now kind of think that it’s the smart thing for Ivey to debate Maddox. Even if it’s worst case scenario where Maddox looks great in comparison and she came off as a bumbling idiot, would it really change anything? However, doing so removed that talking point from Maddox’s campaign and kind of leaves him with nothing. Just agreed to a debate on APT on Friday night and recite a bunch of talking points.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:18 pm to FairhopeTider
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Just read an opinion piece on Yellowhammer News that made sense in that let’s say Ivey agreed to a debate, what difference would it make? When was the last time a statewide debate moved the needle and was watched by more than a small audience?
Barring Ivey flopping around on the floor as a result of a heart attack or screaming "Hail Satan!" while she takes a hit from a meth pipe, it wouldn't change a thing.
That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. Candidates owe the voters a chance to see them explain their policies, answer questions that haven't been pre-screened, and point out flaws in their opponents' arguments. This is especially true when neither person in the race has ever actually been elected as governor.
Ivey isn't going to debate, and everyone knows why: there's nothing in it for her.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:28 pm to Chuck Barris
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Barring Ivey flopping around on the floor as a result of a heart attack or screaming "Hail Satan!" while she takes a hit from a meth pipe, it wouldn't change a thing.
That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. Candidates owe the voters a chance to see them explain their policies, answer questions that haven't been pre-screened, and point out flaws in their opponents' arguments. This is especially true when neither person in the race has ever actually been elected as governor.
Ivey isn't going to debate, and everyone knows why: there's nothing in it for her.
This is all 100% accurate
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:15 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Those two aren't centrist, they're corporatist.
Those terms are not exclusive, if anything they are almost synonyms when it comes to Democrats.
Being left on social issues but right on economic issues makes a pretty good case for centrism.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 5:54 pm to Fells
Centrism is a unicorn, there's no real definition to it. What's centrist to one person is extreme to another.
To me being "right" on economics is tax cuts, spending cuts. Being "left" on social issues is affirmative action, busing, and hate-crime legislation.
To me being "right" on economics is tax cuts, spending cuts. Being "left" on social issues is affirmative action, busing, and hate-crime legislation.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 6:44 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Centrism is a unicorn, there's no real definition to it.
You define the terms left and right but say that the middle of that is too subjective to define.
Posted on 7/30/18 at 7:00 pm to Fells
I also said that was from my point of view, not the definitive view for everyone to go by. I see things as gov't interventionist or not, though.
Posted on 7/31/18 at 7:33 am to RollTide4Ever
Ah, well academia would not agree with your assessment of the political spectrum being too subjective.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 7:33 am
Posted on 7/31/18 at 10:55 am to Fells
Academia believes that Herbert Hoover was a do-nothing president while FDR ran as a progressive during his first run to the WH in 1932.
This post was edited on 7/31/18 at 10:56 am
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