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re: No first rounders this year?

Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:11 pm to
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:11 pm to
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He doesn’t like Sanders just off his attitude, believes that will hurt him somewhat.



It won't. Teams are desperate for QBs and stars/ name recognition. Sheduer has both and is actually talented. Doesn't mean it is the right move but the circus Sanders brings instantly moves the needle for a team into relevance.

I think Becks ceiling is Kirk Cousins but he ends up closer to Derek Carr.

Ewers has Aaron Rodgers-like stuff when he is on. He will be a better pro than college player.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 7:17 am
Posted by hwyman108
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:18 pm to
He just thinks Sanders is not a good leader for a nfl qb, but hell my son’s twenty and thinks he knows everything, lol

He’s thinks Beck is a more athletic Mac Jones.

But he honestly believes if Milroe has a good yr that teams will take a shot in the 1st round just off his potential.
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:24 pm to
If Milroe has any chance at the first round he will need to kill at the combine, it won't just be on film.

Beck is more athletic than Mac, but that isnt hard to be lol.

He might not be wrong about Sheuders leadership, but that kid is going to have media training and support. There will be owner that will see dollar signs and tell the coach to make it work. And if Dak doesn't have a great year no way he falls past the Cowboys, hell there is a good chance Jerrah takes him anyway.
Posted by hwyman108
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:28 pm to
You ain’t wrong about that. Dion is not really a good coach but he damn sure knows what the league wants and how to maximize his sons stock in the draft.
Posted by UhOhOreo
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:30 pm to
The only reason I see Nuss going in the first half of the draft and not the second is he's got a high floor. He's executing a good slew of NFL concepts in the offense, he's showing the ability to throw at all points of the field, and he's relatively refined footwork/mechanics wise. Some bone headed throws against SCAR, but that won't kill him unless he's doing it weekly.

He's very Daniel Jones in that he doesn't wow you but he also is relatively developed for where he is. His floor is an NFL multi-year backup like Beck.
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 8:59 pm to
I think Milroe and Booker end up as 1st round picks
Posted by Diego Ricardo
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:22 pm to
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Milroe isn't going first with his current issues throwing short/intermediate and with the mental side of the game



Looked good getting the ball out on-time underneath in the Wisconsin game. What do I know though...
Posted by RollTide33
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 9:38 pm to
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Milroe isn't going first with his current issues throwing short/intermediate and with the mental side of the game


You mean shouldn't not isn't. These are Richardson's stats his last year at Florida: 176/327 53.8% 2549yds 17tds 9int. He absolutely sucked. Couldn't hit water if he fell out of a fricking boat. But all it takes is 1 out of 32 teams to fall in love with a big arm and running like a deer and all of a sudden, you're a 1st round pick.

If Jalen keeps putting up numbers like he has been so far someone will take a risk on his athleticism and the belief that they can fix his other issues.
Posted by Chad4Bama
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:15 pm to
Honestly, if Anthony Richardson looks good this season it'd be a boost to Milroe. I still have no idea why Richardson went that high, but maybe he'll be a All Pro for all I know. They aren't exactly alike, but AR is probably going to be who he's compared to.
Posted by UhOhOreo
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 11:46 pm to
This is the perfect example of not understanding how players are drafted and how tape review works. Stats don’t necessarily correlate to draft position or success at the next level.

Richardson was known for being inaccurate, much in the vein of Cam. He didn’t have issues reading coverages, he didn’t have issues processing. He had some raw mechanics to clean up but the mental side was routinely there. He made mental lapses, but that’s different than just being unable to utilize the middle of the field, throw with anticipation, and make pre-snap adjustments.

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Sources with knowledge of his results told me that Richardson scored in the "top-tier NFL starter" range (between the 74th and 99th percentiles) on the S2 sports cognitive and processing test that 15 NFL teams use as a draft-evaluation data point, and that he also scored well on the AIQ, a separate mental analytics assessment. Further, he impressed multiple NFL teams in meeting rooms and on the whiteboard during this process, two team sources said.


Even then, he is struggling heavily in his second year. Milroe in the NFL would be even worse.

Milroe is not Richardson, otherwise Milroe would’ve gone first round last year. If he was Richardson, he wouldn’t have been last in FBS in time to throw and held the ball 3.5 seconds per play. And the fact remains he never even explored the process, which tells you the option wasn’t really there. Right now he aligns more with Logan Thomas than Richardson in terms of current QB development.

If anything, the guy that fits closest to one of those raw messy college QB’s that gets drafted highly is Allar. He’s very much in the same build as Josh Allen as a prospect in terms of his flaws/strengths.

This post was edited on 9/19/24 at 11:57 pm
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 1:35 am to
My guess (purely a guess) of the guys who could end up in the first round. (in order)

Booker - Best prospect and the UGA game is a chance for him to make the statement
Saab - UTk game will likely be the game to onpen up his path if he is going to get there
Lawson - not there yet but looking better each week
Chi Moore - UTk game (much like Saab) would be his best chance at a statement game
Milroe - he has improved a great deal since last season. Needs improvement with reading the DB (specifically safeties) and the blitz. Needs to improve his pocket awareness. Better antisipation and accuracy with throws. Keep improving check-down useage. Most importantly, cut down how long he holds the ball.
Posted by Vidic
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 6:56 am to
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Not sure why you think he's a guaranteed first if 2023 was so far over Milton.


I don’t think it’s guaranteed but it’s not hard to see why people think he’ll go in the first. Yeah there are outliers but NFL coaches and GM’s think they’re the best coaches alive. If they can get an athletic freak they can coach him up. There are examples every year. Hell Maason Smith just got drafted in the second round and he did nothing his college career.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 7:00 am
Posted by crimson crazy
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:19 am to
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Richardson scored in the "top-tier NFL starter" range (between the 74th and 99th percentiles) on the S2 sports cognitive and processing test that 15 NFL teams use as a draft-evaluation data point


I wonder why only 15 teams use this test?

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Even then, he is struggling heavily in his second year.


Probably because the test isn’t accurate.


Bryce scored very high and CJ Stroud basically flunked it


Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:57 am to
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Richardson was known for being inaccurate, much in the vein of Cam.

Cam was a decent passer. Just never elite. Maybe he gets better but Richardson sucks right now. Of course many people are blinded by his deep balls and scrambling but he’s has lots to improve
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:12 am to
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Not sure why you think he's a guaranteed first if 2023 was so far over Milton.

Never said he'd be a first round pick, but your prediction of him dropping to the 5th or lower is terrible. If you watched the NFL through these first couple of weeks, you'd know that the league is starved for QB's more than usual with all of the poor play.

If Milroe even falls to the late second or third, it will be because his play absolutely drops off a cliff the rest of the season. I don't really see that happening.
Posted by JIB
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:31 am to
The talk of the NFL recently is about how teams are running 2 high safeties and taking away the deep passing game so teams have to run the ball or complete short/intermediate passes. I wonder how much of that would impact Milroe's draft stock.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:24 pm to
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does well at the combine.


This is what makes Milroe a 1st rounder. He'll destroy the combine.
Posted by Carlton
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:39 pm to
Talking about the interviews/film sessions.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 8:39 pm
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:51 pm to
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Becks ceiling is Kirk Cousins

Cousins has made nearly $350m dollars in the NFL.
$100m guaranteed contract at age 36. He's 5th all time in completion percentage. He could easily leave the game with 50k passing yards and 350 TDs which would put him in the HOF.

Derek Carr's career numbers are eerily similar to Cousins. There's basically only a nominal difference in their stats. Carr has made $130m less than Cousins.
Cousins
39,867 66.7% 273 TDs 112 INTs 98.1 RTG
Carr
39,543 65% 247 TDs 108 INTs 92.7 RTG
Strange that they are viewed so differently when they're basically the same player. Carr has played 2 full years less than Cousins, too.

Thinking Beck reaches these numbers is laughable.


Ewers is a system QB. He's also fragile.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 8:57 pm
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:53 pm to
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Talking about the interviews/film sessions.


How do think JaMarcus Russell did on the interviews/film sessions?
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