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Posted on 11/22/18 at 2:24 pm to YStar
Posted on 11/22/18 at 2:24 pm to YStar
Hey, being financially broke all the time is life for the majority of people. In reality, kids on scholarships make as much money as most kids your age who work full time jobs would also get.
They have to pay rent, they have to pay for food, they have to buy clothes, etc.
I went into the military and made like $12k a year back in the 90's. Everybody was always "financially broke" even while getting paid. I guess you could have a little money if you only ate cafeteria food, never left base or did shite. But pussy is generally off base, 30 minutes or so away and so on. Broke all the damn time.
People with families got housing and such and extra pay to cover those things, but they were still usually on food stamps and such.
Everyone is financially broke at that age. I'm not sure where or why some people think it's not normal or whatever. Scholarship and all those benefits is a hell of a lot more than most people get and there are tons of people who would love to trade spots for free.
They have to pay rent, they have to pay for food, they have to buy clothes, etc.
I went into the military and made like $12k a year back in the 90's. Everybody was always "financially broke" even while getting paid. I guess you could have a little money if you only ate cafeteria food, never left base or did shite. But pussy is generally off base, 30 minutes or so away and so on. Broke all the damn time.
People with families got housing and such and extra pay to cover those things, but they were still usually on food stamps and such.
Everyone is financially broke at that age. I'm not sure where or why some people think it's not normal or whatever. Scholarship and all those benefits is a hell of a lot more than most people get and there are tons of people who would love to trade spots for free.
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Posted on 11/22/18 at 2:32 pm to YStar
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They aren't paid. They are compensated for their contribution and no where in any organization does the percentage of compensation dwarf the actual returns on investment like this.
No where.
Even Saban sees the hypocrisy in this situation and denouces it.
The worst part is you still get severe injuries no differently than in the league. Most aren't lucky enough to make it. There aren't retirement or trust funds like the NFL to aid these players (don't get me started on the league's shitty pension system). These players are out on their own after their eligibility unless the head coach is merciful.
It's truly a shitty system.
If it's a bad deal, then don't go.
For some reason, if you didn't go, there will be a line of others that will happily do it instead without a single complaint, as they will be the ones who recognize what they are being given, while you apparently do not.
Posted on 11/22/18 at 6:12 pm to 3down10
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If it's a bad deal, then don't go.
For some reason, if you didn't go, there will be a line of others that will happily do it instead without a single complaint, as they will be the ones who recognize what they are being given, while you apparently do not.
This isn't even an intelligent response.
Do you think if the NFL had a minor league that paid 70-125k many of these kids wouldn't bypass college?
I would't have because education is important to my family; both my parents have degrees from Alabama.
For most kids they don't have that and their families are struggling.... of course you don't give a shite about them or their situation because fcuk these athletes if they are helping you feel better about your life.. right?
The system is shitty. The best coach in history sees the hypocrisy and agrees with players in this situation.
I'm just glad Saban isn't so self-centered he can look beyond his perspective to reason and understand others. I'm sure it helped that he actually played and had a semblance of understanding.
Posted on 11/22/18 at 7:16 pm to YStar
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Do you think if the NFL had a minor league that paid 70-125k many of these kids wouldn't bypass college?
And this is college football's fault how exactly
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:21 pm to FairhopeTider
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I'll never understand the constant whining to basically turn it into the NFL whether it be by paying players or expanding the playoff.
Exactly.
Posted on 11/22/18 at 8:41 pm to YStar
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The best coach in history sees the hypocrisy and agrees with players in this situation.
The best coach in history is smart enough to utter a bunch of meaningless platitudes to earn goodwill among athletes that he has to recruit to maintain success. That doesn’t mean he actually believes it. No one with a lick of common sense actually supports destroying college football as we know it in order to pay the players.
Posted on 11/22/18 at 11:30 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Only an idiot would think Saban is just saying nonsense. As if some how he isn't the blunt and direct person we've always known him to be, whom has never had a problem with speaking his mind.
He has been very clear and forthright about this subject. Spinning his opinions on this matter is conspiracy crap rivaling the fringes of LSU.
Also no one is saying we should destroy CFL.
It is you guys who are so hell bent on socialism as form of collegiate regulation who think the only system is this broken one.
The reason why things have gotten so bad is because fear mongers who instead of adapting earlier, chose to double down on these hypocritical regulations... all while the sport went from generating hundreds of millions to billions of dollars.
He has been very clear and forthright about this subject. Spinning his opinions on this matter is conspiracy crap rivaling the fringes of LSU.
Also no one is saying we should destroy CFL.
It is you guys who are so hell bent on socialism as form of collegiate regulation who think the only system is this broken one.
The reason why things have gotten so bad is because fear mongers who instead of adapting earlier, chose to double down on these hypocritical regulations... all while the sport went from generating hundreds of millions to billions of dollars.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 12:25 am to YStar
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This isn't even an intelligent response.
Do you think if the NFL had a minor league that paid 70-125k many of these kids wouldn't bypass college?
I would't have because education is important to my family; both my parents have degrees from Alabama.
For most kids they don't have that and their families are struggling.... of course you don't give a shite about them or their situation because fcuk these athletes if they are helping you feel better about your life.. right?
The system is shitty. The best coach in history sees the hypocrisy and agrees with players in this situation.
I'm just glad Saban isn't so self-centered he can look beyond his perspective to reason and understand others. I'm sure it helped that he actually played and had a semblance of understanding.
There is no minor league for the NFL because there is no market for it.
Other leagues have tried to pop up from time to time, even taking players earlier than the NFL would and they all fail.
Because it's the schools that make all that money, not the players. If the best players go to that league instead of college, college football is not going to miss a beat. Whatever team is on top will be the next big thing, it's all relative. People still watch Big10 football if you need proof.
And because of that those leagues keep failing. They have no market, they have no draw. If people just want to watch "the best", they watch the NFL. If they want amateurs and to pull for a school, they watch college football.
In reality, players would have to spend mid 5 figures or more to get the training ALONE that they get at a college football. That doesn't include all the other benefits like room and board, food, and so on like a degree that other people are putting themselves in large amounts of debt to get.
It's a great deal and there is a reason why you don't see people doing the alternative. Just like there is a reason the NFL don't want them until they've been out of school for a few years.
The bottom line is you weren't worth what you think you are, and that's not a nice thing to tell someone or what you may want to hear, but it's the truth.
This post was edited on 11/23/18 at 1:46 am
Posted on 11/23/18 at 7:30 am to BamaGradinTn
I said players should be paid something in my op. Deserving meaning an actual salary not company dollars. This program makes more money than most minor league baseball teams. If minor league baseball players had their likeness sold for profit by the team, and could make no money from selling anything related to them it would be illegal. They work a full time job and should be paid for it. I don't know why that is such a foreign concept to you.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 7:37 am to bamafan1001
I honestly think it is jealously. They like the players when they are winning, but these 'alumni' don't want them to make more then the do especially at a much younger age.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:27 am to Capstone2017
You and Ystar seem like good folks, but you both are very naive.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 12:19 pm to Capstone2017
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makes more money
Revenue != Profit.
Nobody is making profit.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 12:34 pm to coachcrisp
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You and Ystar seem like good folks, but you both are very naive
I just don't support something which is basically socialism amd injustice for many of these kids which won't be lucky enough to make it to the league.
Even making it to the league doesn't guarantee millions because it's hard as shite to stay in and relevant.
I'm not even supporting some crazy wild west theory which would take apart college football. What I am advocating is serious changes to the regulations which allow everyone but the player and their family to make significant financial return when it is the kid doing most of the investing.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 12:37 pm to 3down10
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Revenue != Profit.
Nobody is making profit.
That is just false.
Most of the major universities making millions upon millions on their football teams aren't turning profit because they are using their football team to fund their entire athletic department.
That shouldn't be on the football team.
Period.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 12:56 pm to Capstone2017
Easy:
The University makes money off the brand, not the players.
Pretty much no one besides scouts and their families would watch them play if it wasn't for the SEC uniforms and helmets they wear.
The University makes money off the brand, not the players.
Pretty much no one besides scouts and their families would watch them play if it wasn't for the SEC uniforms and helmets they wear.
Posted on 11/23/18 at 1:12 pm to Lordofwrath88
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Pretty much no one besides scouts and their families would watch them play if it wasn't for the SEC uniforms and helmets they wear.
You realize recruiting is one of the most important aspects of college football?
If nobody would watch them play Saban wouldn't invest so much time, effort and money into recruiting the best talent to come to Alabama.
ETA: Stuff like this is why I said there is a resentment for these players by many. It's like "frick them" if they aren't making you happy by being useful by winning you football games.
This post was edited on 11/23/18 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 11/23/18 at 1:34 pm to Lordofwrath88
Except a jersey with Tua's number on it has far more appeal and sells far greater then some kid that rides the pine or the kicker. So those uniforms that people are buying only have value because of those that wear them day in day out for the program. The same players that if they did not bust their butt and buy in the university would not make any money.
Why I suggested to pay them based on their name. Let them get royalties off of official apparel and whatnot. Both the program and the player benefits. Place the money in a trust until they graduate
Why I suggested to pay them based on their name. Let them get royalties off of official apparel and whatnot. Both the program and the player benefits. Place the money in a trust until they graduate
Posted on 11/23/18 at 4:45 pm to Capstone2017
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I said players should be paid something in my op.
We all know what you said. It's still sitting there at the top of the first page for all to see. You didn't say they "should be paid something". You said that "we" and "the university" should pay them what they "deserve". It demonstrated an utter cluelessness about Title IX. It's still there for the entire universe to see, and while you can try to walk it back or save face, you can't change that.
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They work a full time job and should be paid for it.
The U.S. Department of Education says that they're student-athletes, not employees. I don't know why THAT is a foreign concept to you.
If they were "working a full time job", then they should be paying federal and state income taxes on the full value of their benefits. Explain why it would be "fair" to require a third string lineman or a kicker, who would may never be able to make a dime on any endorsements, to pay federal and state income taxes on four years of tuition, room, and board. Don't use the word "job" to describe what they do unless you're prepared to tax them. I work at a job; I pay taxes. They don't.
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This program makes more money than most minor league baseball teams.
This is where you went full retard. As has been explained to you ad infinitum, most programs make very little, if any, profit. It isn't about "this program". 200 FBS and FCS schools that are not among the elite don't give a shite about the millions that Alabama makes. Letting the superstars profit from endorsements while 99% of college athletes get absolutely nothing in no way creates a "fair" system.
Why should the 200 FBS and FCS member schools of the NCAA who are not among the elite vote to let the Tuas and Kylers make big money on endorsements and create an even large gap between them and the elites?
Posted on 11/23/18 at 6:56 pm to BamaGradinTn
In case you are unaware anything over the basic costs to attend from the scholarship is taxable. So if the cost to attend is 15k and the scholarship is 20k then 5k is taxable.
Also as I said put it in a trust based on ability like the olympics only those that earn would pay tax once distributed
Also as I said put it in a trust based on ability like the olympics only those that earn would pay tax once distributed
Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:12 pm to YStar
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Anothet thing to note, stop quantifying this discussion by using the broad term of "student athletes".
You have blatantly lied throughout this thread, and now you don’t want me to call them what they are because you don’t like it? Log off.
I’m not sure when you attended school, but I’d wager a guess it was before the cost of attendance stipend. Schools are now paying $300-$400 each month to student athletes after everything else. Can you imagine never paying for anything and then having an extra $350 in your account? No other college kid has that luxury. It is the top 1%.
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