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Posted on 11/21/18 at 10:06 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 11/21/18 at 10:06 am to pvilleguru
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If they were to change the rules, Hibbett may be able to put that name on the back, and would be able to sell more of them and at a higher price.
And would have to share the royalties, which would diminish their return.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 10:07 am to FairhopeTider

As if D-1 college athletics isn't under enough scrutiny, we're talking about opening up a 55 gal garbage can of worms up here. When we start allowing the players to make money from their sport, we can kiss goodbye to collegiate sports as we know it....you'd think that you libs around here would understand how $$$ ruins amateur sport.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 10:11 am to coachcrisp
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As if D-1 college athletics isn't under enough scrutiny, we're talking about opening up a 55 gal garbage can of worms up here. When we start allowing the players to make money from their sport, we can kiss goodbye to collegiate sports as we know it....you'd think that you libs around here would understand how $$$ ruins amateur sport.
I get the argument and on paper & in theory, allowing a player to get a few thousand for an autograph session or endorsement isn't a bad thing. But as you said, the can of worms that would come with it isn't worth it. Some clearly disagree and have no problem blowing up the entire system over a false narrative, which makes me wonder how they get any enjoyment out of the current one.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 10:38 am to FairhopeTider
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Hibbett Sports is selling a #2 jersey with no name on the back.
Since his name isn’t on the jersey he doesn’t get shite. They’d have to be using his name to profit for me to be ok with it. Its pretty simple. The school is giving kids an education among numerous other things. The school doesn’t owe the player shite. I’ll use Surtain as an example. He said he came here because this was the best route to the NFL. Both parties are benefiting. Player gets prepared and have his abilities shown for the pro’s. The school gets to gain financially from the players abilities. But the Nike’s and Under Armour’s of the world? Yea they should pony up and give credit where credit is due. They are using someone else’s achievements to profit. They didn’t go out and recruit the player. They didn’t go out and train the player. They’re not paying for the player during the whole process. All they did was take his name, put it on an item, and profit.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 10:42 am to FairhopeTider
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allowing a player to get a few thousand for an autograph session or endorsement isn't a bad thing
I agree
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But as you said, the can of worms that would come with it isn't worth it
I agree again
Posted on 11/21/18 at 10:49 am to GAFF
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They’re not paying for the player during the whole process. All they did was take his name, put it on an item, and profit.
Well, they kind of are. They pay a licensing fee and for the contract to the University, which the school puts back into the program. That money goes to the resources, facilities, etc. that the players benefit from.
We can disagree whether that is proportional or not, but it's not like companies like Nike are seeing a pure profit here.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 11:55 am to Capstone2017
It always amazes me to see the number of posters in threads like this who have no clue that it would be a blatant violation of federal law for the University if Alabama to not pay a softball player the same amount they would pay Tua. Seriously...have some of you people never heard of Title IX?
The ONLY thing you could do would be to allow players to be paid for endorsements and appearances, and even then, the University or boosters' fingerprints couldn't be anywhere in the process.
And yeah, it would lend itself to massive corruption and increase the gap between the haves or have nots.
Does it suck for the players? Maybe so. But the law is the law.
The ONLY thing you could do would be to allow players to be paid for endorsements and appearances, and even then, the University or boosters' fingerprints couldn't be anywhere in the process.
And yeah, it would lend itself to massive corruption and increase the gap between the haves or have nots.
Does it suck for the players? Maybe so. But the law is the law.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 12:40 pm to BamaGradinTn
there isn't parity now and there never has been. even in the NFL and NBA with all the rules to try and force parity the same teams are usually competing for championships. they should at least be able to sell autographs or endorsments without hurting their team. I'm saying that players should be allowed to be paid and some idiots are calling me a socialist. you making money off your investment of your time and money isn't that crazy of an idea. especially consdering the risk involved. If they wanted to limit the amount that any other job could make you would be shitting your disco pants with anger and munching qualuades.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 1:02 pm to pvilleguru
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frick off with that shite.

Yeah... I bet you have a shelf full of participation trophies too.

Your comment speaks volumes for your position. There is simply no need for you and I to pursue this discussion any further. Have a nice day. Enjoy your holidays and Roll Tide.

This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 11/21/18 at 2:15 pm to Capstone2017
This was your original post:
"Can anyone convince me that it's fair that the University makes hundreds of millions off the players work without paying them? I know the argument that it will ruin parity in the game but with all the science coming out about CTE it seems like if we don't start paying people they won't take the risk and football will start to die off."
First, saying the "University" or "we" need to pay them indicates that you really didn't even know about Title IX.
Second, the players who would stand to benefit the most from making money off endorsements and appearances are the ones who are going to be millionaires anyway. Your point is that the University is making millions off the players, so it isn't fair. If we're talking about the millions they are making, they're making the same amount off Mac Jones and Lester Cotton. How do they get their cut for their hard work? They don't.
How much would you pay for Lester Cotton's autograph? I wouldn't pay anything. But he has the same risk and makes just as much money for the university as Jonah...yet he's probably not going to be a millionaire in 9 months like Jonah.
"Can anyone convince me that it's fair that the University makes hundreds of millions off the players work without paying them? I know the argument that it will ruin parity in the game but with all the science coming out about CTE it seems like if we don't start paying people they won't take the risk and football will start to die off."
First, saying the "University" or "we" need to pay them indicates that you really didn't even know about Title IX.
Second, the players who would stand to benefit the most from making money off endorsements and appearances are the ones who are going to be millionaires anyway. Your point is that the University is making millions off the players, so it isn't fair. If we're talking about the millions they are making, they're making the same amount off Mac Jones and Lester Cotton. How do they get their cut for their hard work? They don't.
How much would you pay for Lester Cotton's autograph? I wouldn't pay anything. But he has the same risk and makes just as much money for the university as Jonah...yet he's probably not going to be a millionaire in 9 months like Jonah.
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 11/21/18 at 2:23 pm to Teague
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And yet, 99% of people would trade their own college experience where they had to pay, or get an academic scholarship, for the deal the football players get in a heartbeat.
These students don't have to put the hours on the field and off the field the players do.
Who wouldn't want to enjoy the benefits? Most freeloaders love benefits, they don't like putting in the work though.
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Poor, poor football players. Cry me a fricking river. I'd have given my left nut to be good enough to get a football scholarship and endure those "hardships."
This just shows how much resentment you guys have for these athletes.
You guys literally hate them if they aren't making you feel good by winning.
It's hypocrisy that you have the same people against socialism in organizations and government which effects them support socialism in college sports because it doesn't effect them.
I'm just glad Saban isn't a hypocrite and believes the system is shite.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 2:34 pm to YStar
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I'm just glad Saban isn't a hypocrite and believes the system is shite.
I know you weren't replying to me...but I was just going to say that I don't at all resent them and I'm not saying that philosophically I disagree with you. I also think the system isn't good, but I think it's the least bad of all the options available under the parameters of federal law. I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to sell autographs or get appearance fees...but I do believe it would create more problems than it would solve...and mostly for the benefit of players who are about to become millionaires anyway.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 2:50 pm to BamaGradinTn
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and mostly for the benefit of players who are about to become millionaires anyway.
Less than 2% of college football players play professional football, which would include leagues outside the NFL. Most of the ones who play in the NFL will not become millionaires.
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 11/21/18 at 2:55 pm to pvilleguru
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But the only reason they can't have jobs is because of the retarded NCAA rule.
Just to go ahead and squash this, there is no NCAA rule that says student-athletes can't have jobs. In fact, the rules are probably much more lenient than you could imagine.
Student-athletes can actually work paying jobs for boosters/donors.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 3:38 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:Imo, it'd parallel the slippery slope of more gun control. Once you ring that bell, the shite'll hit the fan.
I get the argument and on paper & in theory, allowing a player to get a few thousand for an autograph session or endorsement isn't a bad thing. But as you said, the can of worms that would come with it isn't worth it. Some clearly disagree and have no problem blowing up the entire system over a false narrative, which makes me wonder how they get any enjoyment out of the current one.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 3:40 pm to ALtoID
1) I don't know why people want to keep arguing this. The NCAA's model is the NCAA's model. No amount of kicking and screaming is going to change it. It's perfectly legal and profitable and everyone involved has benefits.
2) It's obvious that people don't understand the revenue and payment structure if they think schools can find the money to pay 500 part-time employees.
2) It's obvious that people don't understand the revenue and payment structure if they think schools can find the money to pay 500 part-time employees.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 3:42 pm to ALtoID
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Just to go ahead and squash this, there is no NCAA rule that says student-athletes can't have jobs. In fact, the rules are probably much more lenient than you could imagine.
Student-athletes can actually work paying jobs for boosters/donors.
Maybe been this way for 10 years. A tad late for jimmy johns

Posted on 11/21/18 at 3:44 pm to Carlton
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and mostly for the benefit of players who are about to become millionaires anyway.
Less than 2% of college football players play professional football, which would include leagues outside the NFL. Most of the ones who play in the NFL will not become millionaires.
Exactly my point.
How much would you pay for Joseph Bulovas' autograph?

This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 11/21/18 at 3:46 pm to ALtoID
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1) I don't know why people want to keep arguing this. The NCAA's model is the NCAA's model. No amount of kicking and screaming is going to change it. It's perfectly legal and profitable and everyone involved has benefits.
2) It's obvious that people don't understand the revenue and payment structure if they think schools can find the money to pay 500 part-time employees.
Even if they could...does anyone think Damien Smith is going to work washing dishes in the cafeteria for $10 an hour? Because while what you say about having jobs is true, they can't be paid a ridiculous wage that's out of line with what any other student would make.
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 11/21/18 at 3:54 pm to BamaGradinTn
I would probably go for two better player's autographs.
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