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re: Mbakwe and the economics of NIL
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:33 pm to Tide or Die87
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:33 pm to Tide or Die87
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I think that we can keep up but I think we realize that you can't buy a team and have to be smart with where you spend your money
It's a different approach. We invest in recruiting then use the portal to supplement where we can and hope to hold on to as much key depth as possible.
Others invest very little in recruiting, hope to find some developmental players that they can work into league average starters in the SEC and use their cash to spread around 12-13 kids in the portal.
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Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
And then the elite programs who have much more money than we do swoop in and steal our sophomore stars. Recruiting only works if they stay and not transfer to another school
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:49 pm to RollTide1987
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And then the elite programs who have much more money than we do swoop in and steal our sophomore stars
Like who exactly? Bak is talented, but has done nothing to date in college football. Justice is not a star.
Zabien Brown is a star. He will be on this team next year.
Ryan Williams is a star. He will be on this team next year.
Bray Hubbard is in the process of becoming a star. He will be on this team next year.
Qua Russaw is in the process of becoming a star. He will be on this team next year.
Every young player that played a significant role this past season will be on our team next season.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:51 pm to RollTide1987
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And then the elite programs who have much more money than we do swoop in and steal our sophomore stars. Recruiting only works if they stay and not transfer to another school
Realistically speaking, there are only 3 to 5 schools with more money than Bama that care about football as much.
Sure Texas, Michigan, Ohio State and maybe a couple others can buy out some of our players, but that doesn't mean that a championship quality roster can't be built. We just need to be a little more judicious with who we dole out the money to. For all that Ohio State spent, they still lost two games.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Zabien Brown is a star. He will be on this team next year.
Ryan Williams is a star. He will be on this team next year.
Bray Hubbard is in the process of becoming a star. He will be on this team next year.
Qua Russaw is in the process of becoming a star. He will be on this team next year.
You would have said the exact same thing about bak this morning.
You're talking about a backup transfer CB being worth 3rd or 4th round NFL draft contract money. I wouldn't bet on any of those guys above being back if they were offered proportional amounts.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:21 pm to RolltidePA
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Realistically speaking, there are only 3 to 5 schools with more money than Bama that care about football as much.
If Ole Miss can spend more than a million on a transfer corner with little playing time, I'm afraid it's become more than 3-5 at this point.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:23 pm to Evolved Simian
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You would have said the exact same thing about bak this morning.
I would not have. He played very few meaningful snaps while those 4 played starters minutes for the majority of the season and became proven commodities on an SEC defense. Bak could be that, but he isn't as of today. Same with Mincey or the incoming 5-star CB, Lee.
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You're talking about a backup transfer CB being worth 3rd or 4th round NFL draft contract money. I wouldn't bet on any of those guys above being back if they were offered proportional amounts.
But I'd guess that we would make more of a counter. This situation was one where the offer was so far off from our internal valuation that we didn't even counter back with anything.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:26 pm to Evolved Simian
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If Ole Miss can spend more than a million on a transfer corner with little playing time, I'm afraid it's become more than 3-5 at this point.
They do that, but they don't spend anything on their high school recruiting classes. And because of that, if they don't nail the portal at 100% then they have serious holes in their roster. This year that was their OL and running game, and it cost them.
I say that to say I think Lane's approach at a place like Ole Miss is the best way to get good players on his roster each year, but we are not allocating total resources in the same way. They are buying 15-20 players with much more than the 40-50 that they bring in from the high school ranks and hope to develop into nice secondary/developmental pieces.
We have a roster filled with elite high school players, and sometimes those guys are going to be depth pieces early in their career and decide to leave to be one of the 15-20 big money guys.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:27 pm to Evolved Simian
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If Ole Miss can spend more than a million on a transfer corner with little playing time, I'm afraid it's become more than 3-5 at this point.
If they want to be foolish with their resources, then okay.
This is like the NFL. They may value him more than we do and have to overspend to get him out of here. Need and budget available, they may not have more money than us, just more free right now than we do. Cap management type situation.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They do that, but they don't spend anything on their high school recruiting classes.
Caleb Cunningham has entered the chat.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:30 pm to RolltidePA
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If they want to be foolish with their resources, then okay.
This is like the NFL. They may value him more than we do and have to overspend to get him out of here. Need and budget available, they may not have more money than us, just more free right now than we do. Cap management type situation.
Lane also values transfers who have multiple years in his system. So he saw a guy in Bak that he feels has a high ceiling, saw a bit of a possible logjam at his position in Tuscaloosa, felt that it was worth the risk of an over market deal (which this clearly is), and so they put it out there.
On top of that, I'm guessing he knew that we would probably not even really make an attempt to match due to where Bak is in the secondary right now and with the guys we have in that room that are around his age.
Probably a good move by Lane and an understandable one by us when you've got 3-4 Top 50 young high school corners in the same room, 1 of which just started 12 games, to all of a sudden have them looking up $$$$ wise at a guy with 60 career snaps.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:31 pm to RollTide33
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Caleb Cunningham has entered the chat.
Again, you are talking 1 star player (and really the first one in Lane's tenure that he's invested in along with Suntarine Perkins). The depth of their roster is the depth of their recruiting classes, and they are lower 1/3 of the SEC, meaning they aren't competing for NIL money in the same way that our class and Georgia's are. They look for 2-3 year development guys that they hope can fill the gaps for the 10-12 starters they bring in from the portal and give most of their $$$$ resources to.
And they've hit on some developmental guys (Cayden Lee, #519 nationally; Austin Simmons #266 nationally; Quinshon Judkins #488 nationally) and they've whiffed on some others (most of their OL kids the last 3 years).
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Are we just accepting it's a done deal? Last I checked Bak hasn't actually entered the portal right? I wonder if Bama got wind of it early and leaked it to BOL to try to throw a wrench into it.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:35 pm to RollTide33
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Are we just accepting it's a done deal? Last I checked Bak hasn't actually entered the portal right? I wonder if Bama got wind of it early and leaked it to BOL to try to throw a wrench into it.
It sounds like it's pretty much a done deal unless Bak decides he'd just prefer to stay at Alabama for much less money.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Let his arse go. Might as well get the narrative out now that Alabama isn't the place for bullshite games. It will be painful at times but I'm glad DeBoer is sticking to his guns.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:47 pm to Chris ALL Capps
Kiffin pulled Amos from us last year and I may be forgetting some others.
You think he'd try to pull from some teams on his schedule for the players he pretty well knows will only be there one year.
You think he'd try to pull from some teams on his schedule for the players he pretty well knows will only be there one year.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 3:48 pm to Night Vision
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Kiffin pulled Amos from us last year and I may be forgetting some others.
That one had everything to do with Saban leaving and Amos' relationship with Golding.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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don't spend anything on their high school recruiting classes.
They flipped a 5 star WR from us this season sure it wasn't free
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:19 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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At this point everyone in college football is “in the portal” if they can just be lured off an active roster with more money
How is this possible? How can Kiffen offer/negotiate with him if he's NOT even in the portal?!
Posted on 12/16/24 at 4:23 pm to notguilty
The formal term for it is "tampering" which the NCAA says is against the rules but does nothing about.
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