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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:04 am to
Posted by Diego Ricardo
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:04 am to
I think Youngblood and Philon playing more minutes with Sears can’t be underrated. Philon is no Wrightsell from behind the arc but you have to stay attached to him in a way that Stevenson is never going to require of a defender.

I don’t think it is an accident that Sears has been on a scoring tear when we finally started playing more 3 guard lineups like last season. Whether this is sustainable with good defense is going to depend heavily on Cliff coming into his own as a help defender near the rim.
Posted by tide06
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:36 am to
Philon based on advanced analytics should be our starting PG.

That said, I think the three guard lineups are often matchup dependent in that if you are playing teams with perimeter length you can’t get away with three short guards, but against teams without size outside its pretty lethal.

From a defensive standpoint the biggest factor honestly is not having Holloway out there. While he’s been one of the best shooters in the country he simply cannot or will not play effective defense right now.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:48 am to
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Philon based on advanced analytics should be our starting PG.

That said, I think the three guard lineups are often matchup dependent in that if you are playing teams with perimeter length you can’t get away with three short guards, but against teams without size outside its pretty lethal.

From a defensive standpoint the biggest factor honestly is not having Holloway out there. While he’s been one of the best shooters in the country he simply cannot or will not play effective defense right now.


Yep. You can't have Holloway and Mark out there together against teams with any sort of length or quickness at guard.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 9:06 am to
Sears played well defensively against Kentucky. The problem is he’s never going to be a great defender against guards with quickness. In that situation we need better team defense than we’ve seen to date on the drive to the rim. That starts with Sears at least forcing the faster guard into the help but the help defense has been a problem.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 9:16 am to
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Sears played well defensively against Kentucky. The problem is he’s never going to be a great defender against guards with quickness. In that situation we need better team defense than we’ve seen to date on the drive to the rim. That starts with Sears at least forcing the faster guard into the help but the help defense has been a problem.


Agree
Posted by Sandkhan
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 9:51 am to
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Philon is no Wrightsell from behind the arc but you have to stay attached to him in a way that Stevenson is never going to require of a defender.


I don’t necessarily think this is true. Stevenson started out slow from deep, but him on a corner three I trust a lot more than when Philon shoots from deep. You also can’t understate Jarin’s length. Philon is also a very good defender but Jarin can guard 1-5 which helps if you get switches or have a weak guard defender


Jarin takes a lot of heat on here and I think people forget that he’s supposed to be a freshman this year.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 9:56 am to
Jarin has become very good at quick release, solid efficiency corner 3s (and even wing 3s). He's also very good as a long defender on catch and shoot guys who we are trying to fluster (did a great job with Brea).

On then negative side, his offensive awareness and strength with the ball is almost middle school level bad. It is truly difficult to watch. He struggles against both smaller quick guys and bigger strong guys, though he has definitely gotten stronger.

He clearly has a role on this team, but I still think he's much more of a matchup situational guy than his minutes reflect.
Posted by Sandkhan
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:12 am to
Yes but he really shouldn’t be on the ball for those weaknesses to come up. We don’t run set plays that run through him enough for it to be a negative so offensively when he’s touching it should be going up.

I just think if we’re talking about Philon starting over Stevenson we’ve got a taller plus defender that is low usage offensively or a shorter plus defender who is a high usage offensive player who is increasing his turnovers as of late and doesn’t have a deep shot.

I say all that to say I probably have a soft spot for Jarin because I think he catches way too much flak on here and has a ton of potential
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:21 am to
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Yes but he really shouldn’t be on the ball for those weaknesses to come up. We don’t run set plays that run through him enough for it to be a negative so offensively when he’s touching it should be going up.

I just think if we’re talking about Philon starting over Stevenson we’ve got a taller plus defender that is low usage offensively or a shorter plus defender who is a high usage offensive player who is increasing his turnovers as of late and doesn’t have a deep shot.

I say all that to say I probably have a soft spot for Jarin because I think he catches way too much flak on here and has a ton of potential



Yea - I don't really think of it as a Philon vs Stevenson situation.

I think Philon has to run the point for the rest of the season even with his growing pains with a hope that he works through them by tournament time. Even with some of his bad decisions on offense he's the guy who can get us into our offense and get our shooters great looks in the flow of the offense. Aden can somewhat, but not nearly as effectively (not to mention you want him spotted). Mark has shown the last 2 games that when he's allowed to do what he's best at - play off ball mostly - that he is still as good an offensive player as there is in the country.

Jarin should play and how much should depend on various factors. I think Mo has to play more, but Oats comments about his mental errors defensively (which do seem to line up with what my eyes saw) is a legitimate reason that his minutes seem to have a ceiling.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:02 am to
This is a good point, the real Philon v. Stevenson thing is about distribution of minutes not role in the offense. Philon needs to be on the court so Sears can be more of a combo guard than full point guard.

Whatever growing pains have to be taken in this hell stretch to get Philon ready for the tournament needs to happen. Rather have a sloppy game at home in February than in the first weekend of the tournament in March. It is unfortunate how injuries at guard have taken away our best spot-up shooters and robbed us of a month that could have gotten Philon ready for March.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:07 am to
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Whatever growing pains have to be taken in this hell stretch to get Philon ready for the tournament needs to happen. Rather have a sloppy game at home in February than in the first weekend of the tournament in March. It is unfortunate how injuries at guard have taken away our best spot-up shooters and robbed us of a month that could have gotten Philon ready for March.


Yep - that's exactly right. I think Philon being able to run the point effectively for 25 minutes a night without turnovers, along with the whole defensive mental lock in thing, is probably the single biggest determinate in how far we can go. There are so many things that rely on that and, when it is right, can be elite but when it isn't become pretty ordinary.
Posted by TideCPA
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:15 am to
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Jarin should play and how much should depend on various factors. I think Mo has to play more, but Oats comments about his mental errors defensively (which do seem to line up with what my eyes saw) is a legitimate reason that his minutes seem to have a ceiling.
Jarin has a good defensive motor, but his help defense lately has been really bad. He's the kind of guy you stick on Chaz Lanier, though, and tell him to not ever leave him. That's a valuable piece.

He should under no circumstance ever put the ball on the floor in the open court, though.
Posted by Sandkhan
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:16 am to
I don’t know that Philon is going to learn to stop turning it over in a month. Grant hasn’t in 2 years

I’m cheering for him though. 2 TO a game in 23 minutes is rough. Stuff also doesn’t show up on stats like him missing cutters or open perimeter guys.

In Oats we trust though and Philon is definitely going to play a ton. He has at least looked better finishing at the basket in his last couple
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:17 am to
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He's the kind of guy you stick on Chaz Lanier, though, and tell him to not ever leave him. That's a valuable piece.


Exactly. Brea was killing us until Oats basically told Jarin that his only responsibility was that Brea cannot get another 3 without his hand in his face, regardless of what happens in the rest of the defensive possession. And he did a great job with that. But like you said, the help is bad and he gets beat frequently by guys with foot speed.

I've never seen a college basketball player get the ball poked from behind on run outs more than him, and he is always surprised when it happens. Just wild stuff.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:18 am to
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I’m cheering for him though. 2 TO a game in 23 minutes is rough. Stuff also doesn’t show up on stats like him missing cutters or open perimeter guys.

In Oats we trust though and Philon is definitely going to play a ton. He has at least looked better finishing at the basket in his last couple


Yep - I doubt he's gonna get it all figured out, but he's our best bet to unlock the best version of Mark, and we have to have that to be who we want to be. Anything else he gives us (or avoids giving us on the negative side) is gravy.
Posted by JIB
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:19 am to
I think we all know how we are going to lose in the NCAA tournament - too many turnovers and too many defensive lapses. Let's hope we can string together 4-5 games without that happening, which is doable.

"Live by the 3, die by the 3" is something clueless people say about Bama. It's more like "Bama wins by 6 without making a ton of 3s or Bama wins by 25 making a ton of 3s". 3 point success does not determine if Bama wins or loses. It's turnovers and defensive effort.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:21 am to
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I think we all know how we are going to lose in the NCAA tournament - too many turnovers and too many defensive lapses. Let's hope we can string together 4-5 games without that happening, which is doable.


My "hope" is that the mental lapse part of the defensive issues is erased in a tournament setting like it was last year. When we're locked in mentally (both in terms of effort and playing smart) we are plenty capable of being an above average defensive team.

The turnover stuff comes down to are we just committing the 4-5 stupid ones only or are we doing that plus 6-7 live ball ones in additional. Because we're going to commit the 4-5 bad ones regardless .
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 11:28 am
Posted by Sandkhan
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:23 am to
I mean…only 1 team is not going to lose in the tourney. I think there’s probably only 8 or so teams who have a chance to be that team and we’re one of them.

We also get a large majority of our points at the basket so we definitely don’t die by the 3 unless it’s the other team making them.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:41 am to
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I mean…only 1 team is not going to lose in the tourney.


That's why I don't understand the celebration of just making it to the Final Four.

Three of you motherfrickers ended the season with a loss.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
7950 posts
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:52 am to
Do you guys notice Grant Nelson struggling lately?
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