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re: Joel Klatt says Bama is in
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:40 am to scottydoesntknow
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:40 am to scottydoesntknow
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would love for them just to come up with an official, simple points based structure as at least one measurement tool. Base points for wins and losses with multipliers based on ranking.
They should just simply take the top 12 teams based on the BCS ranking and forget conferences and committees.
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:45 am to YStar
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some are only getting it because a tool like Joel Klatt finally admits it, while others are still embarrassingly denying it like you.
Imagine basing your thoughts on something due to Joel Klatt, even you admit he knows nothing. He is there just to drive clicks, saying Alabama is in generates more clicks.
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SMU is no one
If this is your reasoning, then what a stupid system we have
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:57 am to Lieutenant Dan
I watched this, and saw where CFB nerds said the same (they think SMU is going to win though)
I think the consensus is that Bama is in if SMU wins, or loses by 14+ pts.
If it's a close loss where both teams have roughly a 50% chance to win for most of the game and clemson comes out by <14pts at the end, or if it goes into OT and Clemson wins, I wouldn't be shocked if they put SMU in.
A lot of talking heads have essentially harped on the fact that if you have 2-3 losses, you left it in the hands of the committee to decide your fate so you can complain if you want, but ultimately you didn't do enough to secure your spot
I think the consensus is that Bama is in if SMU wins, or loses by 14+ pts.
If it's a close loss where both teams have roughly a 50% chance to win for most of the game and clemson comes out by <14pts at the end, or if it goes into OT and Clemson wins, I wouldn't be shocked if they put SMU in.
A lot of talking heads have essentially harped on the fact that if you have 2-3 losses, you left it in the hands of the committee to decide your fate so you can complain if you want, but ultimately you didn't do enough to secure your spot
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:06 am to UltimaParadox
I’ve been saying it since this came up. Bama is in either way. It’s not rocket science. If they are willing to drop a 6 Miami to 12 they will drop an 8 SMU to 12 based on the exact same measuring stick they just gave us no less than 3 days ago. It’s that simple. I’m pulling for SMU to make it easy but not worried either way.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 9:07 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:10 am to HighTide_ATL
I hope we are in and think we will be, but the last two SEC wins against the ACC could have gone either way. Georgia Tech should have beaten Georgia. As good as their quarterback played his fumble after making a first down late probably cost them the game. South Carolina was a better win against Clemson on the road. Clemson winning a tight one probably leaves Bama out. Especially after getting boat raced by Oklahoma and did not play well against Auburn. Auburn was a bad team. I do like these guys lobbying for us.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:10 am to UltimaParadox
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Imagine basing your thoughts on something due to Joel Klatt, even you admit he knows nothing. He is there just to drive clicks, saying Alabama is in generates more clicks.
I clearly stated some of us have been saying this for some time now we'll before Joel Klatt finally admitted it. We didn't base any thoughts on him; in fact I mocked the idea that a few here have.
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If this is your reasoning, then what a stupid system we have
Sorry the reality makes you uncomfortable but this playoff system is specifically meant for the Power 2 conferences... it was literally pushed and created by them.
SMU is no one. They don't have a marquee win and they lost their only marquee game to BYU. If they can't beat a Clemson team that is ranked 9 spots below them they have literally done nothing to be considered a playoff team.
Sorry but no participation trophies here. Playing a very weak schedule and managing not to lose 3 games because you didn't have to play more than 2 decent teams isn't worth of inclusion.
If SMU loses theh will frefall and should honestly be ranked behind BYU because they would have the same record and BYU beat them head to head.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:13 am to CrimsonBoz
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I’ve been saying it since this came up. Bama is in either way. It’s not rocket science. If they are willing to drop a 6 Miami to 12 they will drop an 8 SMU to 12 based on the exact same measuring stick they just gave us no less than 3 days ago. It’s that simple. I’m pulling for SMU to make it easy but not worried either way.
It's blatant and obvious. Especially after the committee chairman's responses.
At this point the people who are still beating that drum are troll alter UGA/LSU fans or they're terrified of life because they have lived a rough one so they always expect bad things.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:16 am to YStar
I’ll even go this far:
Why is SMU 8? So that the drop after a loss in a championship game isn’t as much as Miami in a non championship game and they can justify it. So they drop 4 not 6. Watch.
Why is SMU 8? So that the drop after a loss in a championship game isn’t as much as Miami in a non championship game and they can justify it. So they drop 4 not 6. Watch.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:55 am to scottydoesntknow
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We gotta go to 9 conference games with 3 power conference OOC
10 plus 1 power OOC and 1 buy game would be fine by me too.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:43 am to bodask42
Who you've played definitely matters or Army would be in the top 10, no?
If it's easy to say that Army's schedule doesn't compare to SMU's then the same could be said when comparing SMU's schedule to BAMA's.
If it's easy to say that Army's schedule doesn't compare to SMU's then the same could be said when comparing SMU's schedule to BAMA's.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 10:53 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:12 pm to Diego Ricardo
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10 plus 1 power OOC and 1 buy game would be fine by me too.
I agree but I think we need more cross competition amongst the conferences to truly be able to add weighted comparisons.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:08 pm to Lieutenant Dan
Lost me at Joel Klatt.
Everyone knows (including the committee) that Alabama is better than SMU. People are just afraid to put a 1-loss power conference team behind a 3-loss power conference team because of the optics behind it.
While you think this might mean they would use the 2nd loss to get rid of them, it probably means they won't because they have proven they care about the optics. The optics behind a team who is, by CFP committee standards, a playoff team prior to the conference championship game dropping out because of a CCG loss would be really BAD. It would 100% be the end of conference championship games (and the beginning of just regular season champions). I don't think the committee has the stones to have that blood on their hands
Everyone knows (including the committee) that Alabama is better than SMU. People are just afraid to put a 1-loss power conference team behind a 3-loss power conference team because of the optics behind it.
While you think this might mean they would use the 2nd loss to get rid of them, it probably means they won't because they have proven they care about the optics. The optics behind a team who is, by CFP committee standards, a playoff team prior to the conference championship game dropping out because of a CCG loss would be really BAD. It would 100% be the end of conference championship games (and the beginning of just regular season champions). I don't think the committee has the stones to have that blood on their hands
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:10 pm to scottydoesntknow
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I agree but I think we need more cross competition amongst the conferences to truly be able to add weighted comparisons.
Here's the galaxy brain idea of the day from User Ricardo Diego:
Kill the conference championship games, break the conferences up into divisions again, make the division the AQ organizational unit, add a 13th game to the schedule for all teams.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:13 pm to BigBird09
This is a really unintelligent post that basis things on personal feelings rather than what the committee has shown us and done the past weeks
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:22 pm to YStar
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This is a really unintelligent post that basis things on personal feelings rather than what the committee has shown us and done the past weeks
Please show me where a team was removed from the playoffs after a losing a conference championship game in recent weeks. I knew Alabama would be in that 11th spot because of their resume. The committee hasn't done anything surprising to this point. This would be a surprise.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:22 pm to YStar
Not all conferences are the same. The ACC signed zero 5 star players as a conference yesterday. The league signed 5 last year. 4 the year before.
Alabama signed 4 yesterday. 5 the year before. The talent is not the same.
Alabama signed 4 yesterday. 5 the year before. The talent is not the same.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:27 pm to BigBird09
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The optics behind a team who is, by CFP committee standards, a playoff team prior to the conference championship game dropping out because of a CCG loss would be really BAD.
The optics according to most of the CFB world was BAD in 2017 and 2023, yet they still did it. They don’t give a shite about that. People will still watch and that’s what they care about
The participants of the Big 10 and SEC CG will pretty much always make the playoffs. The other conferences don’t carry as much weight. They’ll just lose money from a lost game (CCG) while betting on having multiple teams make the playoffs which is not a guarantee if you’re not a Power 2 conference.
Also when they (and they 100% will) expand the playoffs this won’t matter
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:52 pm to 1BamaRTR
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The optics according to most of the CFB world was BAD in 2017 and 2023, yet they still did it. They don’t give a shite about that. People will still watch and that’s what they care about
2023 had 5 deserving conference champions and the weakest link was cut (especially with the injury). Not surprising. It's not much different logic than us being selected above Miami. Again, not surprising. The problem introduced here is that SMU would be punished for playing in the conference championship game.
UGA was booted last year for losing to us in the SECCG and placed behind Florida State (despite what everyone knew). If they truly "don’t give a shite" about the optics and only want the best teams, then UGA would have been in the playoffs last year.
I'd love to be wrong, but there hasn't been a huge surprise in playoff selections to date (just anti-SEC outrage), and this would surprise me even though I know we're the better team.
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Also when they (and they 100% will) expand the playoffs this won’t matter
Shoot me when this happens (and I also think it will). It should have never gone past 8. We don't deserve to play for a national title and neither does anyone past the top 8 in any year.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:22 pm to BigBird09
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UGA was booted last year for losing to us in the SECCG and placed behind Florida State (despite what everyone knew). If they truly "don’t give a shite" about the optics and only want the best teams, then UGA would have been in the playoffs last year.
So them punishing UGA for losing a conference championship game is proof they won't punish SMU for doing the same thing? Sound logic.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:32 pm to BigBird09
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UGA was booted last year for losing to us in the SECCG and placed behind Florida State (despite what everyone knew). If they truly "don’t give a shite" about the optics and only want the best teams, then UGA would have been in the playoffs last year.
Huh????
UGA like SMU was in the playoffs before they had to play in the CCG. UGA was essentially punished for losing it but SMU won’t be? In 2017 the same thing happened to AU. There’s precedent for losing your CCG and being booted from the playoffs.
quote:My point was they don’t care about optics as much as you think
It's not much different logic than us being selected above Miami.
quote:Don’t worry you will be. If anything this all seems like your anxiety over this trying to convince you otherwise
I'd love to be wrong,
quote:I fully agree. Money drives all of this and always has unlike what those “fairness” idiotic fans think/ignore
It should have never gone past 8.
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