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re: Is Tua really going to wait until his senior year to start?

Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:58 am to
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:58 am to
I kind of think we may be headed that way. Saban has done it before, at LSU.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:59 am to
Also, Tua is nothing like prima donas like Barnett and Eason(who will leave UGA after the season.) Tua is much more similar personality/character wise to a guy like Tim Tebow. He's very humble, very grounded, more concerned with spiritual things than football, etc. He just has a different worldview and perspective than some of these snotty-nosed, hyped 5-star guys who expect to start from day one like Barnett and Eason. I could EASILY see Tua waiting his turn until his junior or even senior year...especially if his little bro signs with Bama. His whole family just uprooted from half a world away and moved to Alabama, and you think they're all gonna jet because Tua isn't a starter by year 2? Very doubtful.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16985 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:02 am to
That’s what I was getting at with my earlier comment. Entire family moves here not to mention, baby Tua is a bit stir crazy right now, we need to keep him calm as well.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
6925 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:05 am to
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Entire family moves here not to mention, baby Tua is a bit stir crazy right now, we need to keep him calm as well.


Sorry, I don't follow. What do you mean?
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
2964 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:29 am to
Baby Tua, lol, what's his real name? My opinion is I see a small chance he stays until his senior year without playing and I don't blame him. I also don't see him beating Jalen out, because Jalen above all is a winner.

I don't understand how posters on here can't discuss something without name calling, getting their feelings hurt, or always having to be right about something. I'm not talking about one poster either.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16985 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:36 am to
The entire family moved over here, I highly doubt they go anywhere because of the cost incurred. Just my .10 cents. The baby Tua comment was commenting on his discomment of being gone from Hawaii.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21674 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:00 pm to
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because Jalen above all is a winner.


I'm not knocking Jalen when I say this, but don't you think just about any above average QB would be a winner if they were playing for Bama?

People talking about how a QB "won X number of games" is one of my pet peeves. How many games would Jalen win if he were playing for Vandy this year? Or, how many games would Shea Patterson win this year if he played for Bama? Every QB we've had under Saban has had very similar records. That isn't some coincidence where we just happened to get QB's of exactly the same talent level. They're winning because they're on a very good TEAM.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 12:01 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:02 pm to
I really do think that it will come down to the offseason, spring and first few weeks of 2018 fall camp.

I think Tua will get every opportunity to play. I do think that there are/will be more factors than just who throws the best ball in practice, though, especially when it comes to leadership, the locker room and how guys react to each guy. You aren't just going to make a change in that sort of situation unless you have a really strong feeling that the team is on board and feels good about it.

I think the assumption is those all go to Hurts, but I think that would be an unwise assumption to make. Hurts obviously does have all those things, but I truly think if Saban thinks Tua is a better player and the guys around him respect him and respect the notion of him winning the job that he won't hesitate to do it.

With that said, I have NO idea how you tell Jalen Hurts he's not the QB anymore if we somewhere go 14-1/15-0 and win the National Title this year and he continues playing like he has. I really don't know how you do it (and I'm not saying this is what will happen, I'm just saying in the situation described above I don't know how you tell him you aren't the starter).
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 12:08 pm
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:29 pm to
We know coach puts a lot of stock in which guy wins the team and locker room. Not saying Tua won't win the guys over but it will probably be very, very difficult to do that. I think maybe he could earn more playing time but I loathe the two quarterback system and hope to stay away from that.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16516 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:31 pm to
we have no backups with experience. He had to get reps in case his number was called. Duh
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:37 pm to
The team seems to respond well to both qbs, so I don't think that will be a problem. In fact, the only instance I have seen this year when a player was obviously upset at the qb was when Ridley was visibly irritated by the short hop near the sideline in one of the last couple of games.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21674 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:37 pm to
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Not saying Tua won't win the guys over but it will probably be very, very difficult to do that.


I'll bet he wins the WR's over, if nobody else.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:45 pm to
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The team seems to respond well to both qbs, so I don't think that will be a problem.


That's silly. Responding to a guy coming in up 49-0 is nothing like responding to that guy taking the job of the guy who has led you to the playoff for 2 straight years and 2 straight SEC Championships and possibly a national championship.

It doesn't mean it's the end all be all, but it's a legitimate factor and nobody knows how that would play out. Those of us outside the organization surely don't.
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:58 pm to
It's odd that you want to spin a positive comment into something negative. Since you insist, though: You know that time that Ridley was visibly irritated at the short hop? Well, it wasn't Tagovailoa.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:02 pm to
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It's odd that you can want to spin a positive comment into something negative


Wut? My point was that players reactions to a guy who is clearly the #2 QB coming into his defined roll in garbage time cannot be viewed as having any correlation to how they would respond if that guy took the job away from the guy who was their QB for 2 years and was very successful.

I didn't say they WOULD have an negative reaction, I said I don't think their current responses really have anything to do with the situation being discussed.

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You know that time that Ridley was visibly irritated at the short hop? Well, it wasn't Tagovailoa.


Being mad at a play during a game isn't exactly the same thing as what we are discussing, nor have I in any way made it sound like Hurts is the guy and Tua can't become the guy (quite the opposite, actually). Not sure why you are fighting this. The majority of people in this thread are pretty united in the fact that the job will be up for grabs this offseason, we are just discussing what the factors will be. One of them will be who the team responds to (something Saban harps on continuously when discussing his QBs).
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:09 pm to
So you are saying that though the team has responded well to Tua...in a game...it's not really important because of when he comes into that game. Then, the fact that Ridley's being irritated at yet another bad pass...in a game...isn't what we are discussing.

Sounds like spin to me.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:14 pm to
I'm saying that what will matter is how the locker room responds to Tua taking Jalen's job while Jalen is still on campus. That will be a different scenario than responding to Tua coming in with a 49-0 lead and doing well in his job as #2 QB. My hope would be that if Tua proves himself to be the better QB that everyone, including Jalen, would understand and be good with it. My "guess" based on our program culture is they would. But, it's not a given. It'll be a difficult situation.

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Then, the fact that Ridley's being irritated at yet another bad pass...in a game...isn't what we are discussing


One pass in one game during 7, yes. And then there were the 567 other times when players were jumping and hugging and slapping his arse for plays that were positive. Come on Huddie.

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Sounds like spin to me.


Spin for what, exactly? I want the best QB to play. I don't care if he's a 5th year senior or a walk on freshman.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 1:16 pm
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:25 pm to
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My hope would be that if Tua proves himself to be the better QB that everyone, including Jalen, would understand and be good with it. My "guess" based on our program culture is they would


So my comment was "The team seems to respond well to both qbs, so I don't think that will be a problem."

And your comment is that you "guess they would respond well."

Not a hell of a lot of difference, is there? So was it necessary to argue about it to get here?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

So my comment was "The team seems to respond well to both qbs, so I don't think that will be a problem." And your comment is that you "guess they would respond well." Not a hell of a lot of difference, is there? So was it necessary to argue about it to get here?


Garrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Huddie

My point was them responding to Tua taking Hurts job. That was my point. It's a new, different, potential explosive situation that almost never happens at schools that win a lot of games.

I HOPE EVERYTHING GOES AWESOME AND WIN ALL THE GAMES THAT IS ALL I KNOW
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
2964 posts
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:02 pm to
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I'm not knocking Jalen when I say this, but don't you think just about any above average QB would be a winner if they were playing for Bama? People talking about how a QB "won X number of games" is one of my pet peeves. How many games would Jalen win if he were playing for Vandy this year? Or, how many games would Shea Patterson win this year if he played for Bama? Every QB we've had under Saban has had very similar records. That isn't some coincidence where we just happened to get QB's of exactly the same talent level. They're winning because they're on a very good TEAM.


Yea, I don't care about the records as much, like Barker and McElroy winning so many games, I just believe Jalen would win no matter where he played. Not saying he'd be undefeated at Vandy, but would win them some games with his abilities.

Also, maybe if Patterson played for us he throws three picks against USC and we lose, never know because it's all hypothetical.
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