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Interesting numbers from the Championship game - compared to the SOG Prediction
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:03 pm
So, the prediction said this
Clemson - 30
Alabama - 26
Clemson
437 yards
6.31 Yards Per Play
14.62 Yards Per Point
Alabama
417 yards
6.04 Yards Per Play
16.17 Yards Per Point
Seems way off, right??????????
Here how the same predicted inputs work out if you change the yards per point to the ACTUAL game numbers (actual numbers in () ) and the score prediction it spits out.
Clemson - 40 (44)
Alabama - 15 (16)
Clemson
437 yards (482)
6.31 Yards Per Play (7.65)
10.95 Yards Per Point (actual)
Alabama
417 yards (443)
6.04 Yards Per Play (6.07)
27.69 Yards Per Point (actual)
Vs Expectation
Clemson Yards : +52
Clemson YPP : +1.34
Alabama Yards : +26
Alabama YPP : +0.03
Basically even (Clemson with a bit higher YPP, mainly due to the Savion fall down play).
The game basically played out exactly as expected in terms of everything outside of scoring..............
Wild
Clemson - 30
Alabama - 26
Clemson
437 yards
6.31 Yards Per Play
14.62 Yards Per Point
Alabama
417 yards
6.04 Yards Per Play
16.17 Yards Per Point
Seems way off, right??????????
Here how the same predicted inputs work out if you change the yards per point to the ACTUAL game numbers (actual numbers in () ) and the score prediction it spits out.
Clemson - 40 (44)
Alabama - 15 (16)
Clemson
437 yards (482)
6.31 Yards Per Play (7.65)
10.95 Yards Per Point (actual)
Alabama
417 yards (443)
6.04 Yards Per Play (6.07)
27.69 Yards Per Point (actual)
Vs Expectation
Clemson Yards : +52
Clemson YPP : +1.34
Alabama Yards : +26
Alabama YPP : +0.03
Basically even (Clemson with a bit higher YPP, mainly due to the Savion fall down play).
The game basically played out exactly as expected in terms of everything outside of scoring..............
Wild
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:06 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The score is incredibly deceptive. We had flaws that got exploited, but the score should've been significantly closer.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:09 pm to Tider95
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The score is incredibly deceptive. We had flaws that got exploited, but the score should've been significantly closer.
Here are our yard per point totals for all our P5 games this year
Louisville - 10.2
Ole Miss - 8.3
A&M - 11.6
Arkansas - 9.8
Missouri - 14.5
Tennessee - 9.4
LSU - 19.9
Miss St - 12.7
Auburn - 9.6
Georgia - 11.5
Oklahoma - 11.7
Clemson - 27.7
Insane
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Just as a general reference point, that yards per point mark would have given us the following point totals this year
Louisville - 19 pts (51)
Ole Miss - 19 pts (62)
Texas A&M - 19 pts (45)
Arkansas - 23 pts (65)
Missouri - 20 pts (39)
Tennessee - 20 pts (58)
LSU - 21 pts (29)
Miss St - 11 pts (24)
Auburn - 18 pts (52)
Georgia - 15 pts (35)
Oklahoma - 19 pts (44)
Louisville - 19 pts (51)
Ole Miss - 19 pts (62)
Texas A&M - 19 pts (45)
Arkansas - 23 pts (65)
Missouri - 20 pts (39)
Tennessee - 20 pts (58)
LSU - 21 pts (29)
Miss St - 11 pts (24)
Auburn - 18 pts (52)
Georgia - 15 pts (35)
Oklahoma - 19 pts (44)
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:15 pm to Tider95
quote:
The score is incredibly deceptive. We had flaws that got exploited, but the score should've been significantly closer.
The red zone ineptitude killed us. Ifs and butts and all that, but the title game was defined on
Red zone ineffectiveness
Penalties
Turnovers
They came to play and I think clearly had been preparing since week 1, but we didnt help ourselves at all
Posted on 1/14/19 at 3:18 pm to VATIDE17
Yep - and our defense wasn't able to stall momentum and keep field position when we didn't score inside their 20, either.
Anyway - I was curious about this for the last week or so and once I got over the game enough to run it I thought it was pretty interesting, so I thought I'd share.
I'm gonna be out of here for the better part of the next 2-3 months for work and just a need to disconnect, so all of y'all pull us through this coaching search and wrapping up 'cruitin season.
Anyway - I was curious about this for the last week or so and once I got over the game enough to run it I thought it was pretty interesting, so I thought I'd share.
I'm gonna be out of here for the better part of the next 2-3 months for work and just a need to disconnect, so all of y'all pull us through this coaching search and wrapping up 'cruitin season.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Interesting, George, thanks.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 4:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The game basically played out exactly as expected in terms of everything outside of scoring..............
Wild
I give a ton of credit to Clemson for making virtually every high leverage play in the game, particularly the turnovers and the key red zone plays on both sides. Ultimately those are the plays that decide games and those dozen or so plays pretty much all went one way in this game due to Clemson's execution and playing calling compared to the lack thereof for Alabama. However the narrative that Clemson physically dominated Alabama or that Alabama (outside of Savion Smith) quit in the third quarter has been blown way out of proportion. However college football fans have been looking for some red meat from Alabama/Saban for like a decade so the dogs are going wild right now. Comes with the territory.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 5:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Enjoy the time away George see you soon.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 5:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
This is why I'm not jumping off a cliff like some fans. We got out-played, but it was a quirky game with a score that was kind of the perfect storm.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 8:26 pm to Teague
Quirky, abberation, whatever you want to call it. I totally agree. It wasn't the norm for Bama. And certainly there is most likely some luck involved. But to see Clemson make big play after big play when it was crucial and Bama not make one damn play, it just defies explanation.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 8:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Clemson
437 yards (482)
6.31 Yards Per Play (7.65)
10.95 Yards Per Point (actual)
You know this is incorrect/misleading, right? I'm sure you can figure out why.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 9:17 pm to BamaGradinTn
Man this game really is gonna make for a rocky offseason. We were terrible in just about every way.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:20 pm to Kcstills17
The stats appear to factor the pick-six as offensive output by Clemson.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:26 pm to BamaGradinTn
It's not a measure of offensive output - it's an overall number that can measure multiple things.......do teams finish drives, do teams make kicks, do teams score on NOTs, etc. For instance, our 2016 team had an insane yards per point number (points per possession is a similar stat).
Clemson came into the game with a very impressive Yard Per Point number mostly based on their offense finishing drives with TDs, and their defense had a great one because they bow up inside the 20. That was all built into the original model that showed a close game.
The point was we had the perfect storm of shite hit us : 5 red zone trips with 0 TDs, Clemson having very few empty long possessions and of course Clemson scoring on a pick 6. As elposter said, every high leverage play Clemson made. If you charted the 10 most important plays of the game by "expected win % added" I bet Clemson had 8 of them.
Basically, all of that culminated to mean we could have had 650 yards and we did enough in major moments to totally negate that. It's insanely rare.
That was the whole point of the post, was to show that the game itself up and down/yardage wise/etc played almost totally to expectation. The score was so lopsided because of 6 different occurrences that generally maybe 1 of occurs a game. And it made things look insane, even though the underlying numbers were not.
Clemson came into the game with a very impressive Yard Per Point number mostly based on their offense finishing drives with TDs, and their defense had a great one because they bow up inside the 20. That was all built into the original model that showed a close game.
The point was we had the perfect storm of shite hit us : 5 red zone trips with 0 TDs, Clemson having very few empty long possessions and of course Clemson scoring on a pick 6. As elposter said, every high leverage play Clemson made. If you charted the 10 most important plays of the game by "expected win % added" I bet Clemson had 8 of them.
Basically, all of that culminated to mean we could have had 650 yards and we did enough in major moments to totally negate that. It's insanely rare.
That was the whole point of the post, was to show that the game itself up and down/yardage wise/etc played almost totally to expectation. The score was so lopsided because of 6 different occurrences that generally maybe 1 of occurs a game. And it made things look insane, even though the underlying numbers were not.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It's not an excuse, by the way. Those 6-7 plays weren't random. Clemson made them. We didn't. They earned every bit of it.
It's just wild to see how the game was basically exactly as expected for 120 plays......but the other 10 took it from a 3 pt game to a 28 pt game.
It's just wild to see how the game was basically exactly as expected for 120 plays......but the other 10 took it from a 3 pt game to a 28 pt game.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 12:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The game basically played out exactly as expected in terms of everything outside of scoring..............
Yep. Alabama threw away about 17-21 points they usually score.
If you looked just at the stats you would assume Clemson won a high scoring game, something like 45-42 or thereabouts, and that's likely how it "should" have played out.
But given us blowing pretty much every single scoring chance we had the final 3 quarters of the game, you get the lopsided score.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 12:50 am to Teague
quote:
This is why I'm not jumping off a cliff like some fans. We got out-played, but it was a quirky game with a score that was kind of the perfect storm.
This. It was one of the weirdest games I've ever seen Alabama play. They outplayed us and we lost, but the final score is a bizarre anomaly.
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