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re: Hurts Comments today (Saturday)
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:29 am to Me so gumpy
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:29 am to Me so gumpy
While I'm certainly not over-reacting to Mac Jones' Aday performance like many here - it was against the 2s on defense, and the dropoff from the 1s to the 2s on our defense is a meteoric drop, especially in the secondary last spring - but it really wouldn't surprise me at all if Mac Jones was a better distributor of the football than Hurts. He's a proper 4 star recruit and has a good bit of ability.
Now, I'm not saying he's a better overall QB than Hurts, as Hurts brings an amazing ability to run into the mix that Jones obvioulsy doesn't bring. But the question needs to be asked: if Tua was to blow his knee out in week 4, would going with Jones mean we would have to change our offense less? Could we keep on chugging stylistically? And if so, does that gives a better chance to win than bringing in Hurts and significantly changing the offense?
All I'm saying is that there is number of ways this QB situation could work out. We need 4 guys and have only 3, but those 3 all have ability and I think we can win with any of them. The question is how.
Now, I'm not saying he's a better overall QB than Hurts, as Hurts brings an amazing ability to run into the mix that Jones obvioulsy doesn't bring. But the question needs to be asked: if Tua was to blow his knee out in week 4, would going with Jones mean we would have to change our offense less? Could we keep on chugging stylistically? And if so, does that gives a better chance to win than bringing in Hurts and significantly changing the offense?
All I'm saying is that there is number of ways this QB situation could work out. We need 4 guys and have only 3, but those 3 all have ability and I think we can win with any of them. The question is how.
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:41 am to prevatt33
Yeah that's all good.
What i hope happens is jalen simply assumes the number 2 role and if tua goes down and he needs to play more than 4 regular season games then ok.
Half a season as alabama's starter is better than an entire season starting anywhere else and hopefully he sees it that way. Especially when you consider what he's accomplished on this team.
This isn't a typical quarterback transfer/beat out situation, jalen is a very important part of this team and if he can bring himself to do it, still lead in a very meaningful way.
What i hope happens is jalen simply assumes the number 2 role and if tua goes down and he needs to play more than 4 regular season games then ok.
Half a season as alabama's starter is better than an entire season starting anywhere else and hopefully he sees it that way. Especially when you consider what he's accomplished on this team.
This isn't a typical quarterback transfer/beat out situation, jalen is a very important part of this team and if he can bring himself to do it, still lead in a very meaningful way.
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 10:42 am
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:41 am to Evolved Simian
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Mac Jones won't see the field this year unless one of the other two transfers or has a season ending injury.
Reminds me of some comments last year that Tua wouldn't play till Jalen left.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:35 am to John Milner
Jalen is positioning himself for a transfer. His role on the team will be minimized by the coaching staff...yes, he will compete for starting job but the reins now are in the hands of the lefty.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:36 am to prevatt33
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does that gives a better chance to win than bringing in Hurts and significantly changing the offense?
I don't think Jones would give us a better chance of winning over Hurts. He shows potential but Hurts is going into his junior year with a lot of experience and has already proven himself capable.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:51 am to 615tider
It's highly likely that Mac Jones is a lot better than you all are realizing. I've seen the guy make some really great passes. His passing ability is undoubtedly better than Jalen's.
I understand that Jalen can get us wins. That much is obvious. But, also understand we've been facing some pretty shitty QBs in the SEC the past 2 years other than Fromm and Stidham. If Burrow at LSU turns out to be on the level of Stidham, we're gonna need an offense in that game.
I think in any event the ceiling for Mac Jones is higher. This is a guy who came in and never blinked. Players have been raving about him since day 1. He's not as good as Tua, but who is?
I think the battle for the second spot is close, and add in Jalen's attitude problem, and being critical of the process and the coaching staff, I'd almost rather see him pack his bags.
While his comments may have been mild, they represent a bad relationship with the coaching staff, and a guy who's pretty fed up with the program on a level that may be unfixable.
I understand that Jalen can get us wins. That much is obvious. But, also understand we've been facing some pretty shitty QBs in the SEC the past 2 years other than Fromm and Stidham. If Burrow at LSU turns out to be on the level of Stidham, we're gonna need an offense in that game.
I think in any event the ceiling for Mac Jones is higher. This is a guy who came in and never blinked. Players have been raving about him since day 1. He's not as good as Tua, but who is?
I think the battle for the second spot is close, and add in Jalen's attitude problem, and being critical of the process and the coaching staff, I'd almost rather see him pack his bags.
While his comments may have been mild, they represent a bad relationship with the coaching staff, and a guy who's pretty fed up with the program on a level that may be unfixable.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:51 am to 615tider
The DC's of the better teams Bama plays has seen Hurts for 2 complete years and they scheme to take away what he does best and make him attempt to do what he doesn't do well. Those teams less than Bama can't stop him even with a good scheme. It will be resolved by Friday one way or the other.
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 8/6/18 at 12:30 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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The DC's of the better teams Bama plays has seen Hurts for 2 complete years and they scheme to take away what he does best and makes him attempt to do what he doesn't do well. Those teams less than Bama can't stop him even with a good scheme. It will be resolved by Friday one way or the other.
Def some truth there. UGA shut him clean down by suffocating the run lanes.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 12:45 pm to CrimsonBoz
Is Jalen expected to be at practice today (being that he missed the team meeting)?
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 8/6/18 at 1:06 pm to 615tider
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has already proven himself capable
Capable of commanding a 1-dimensional offense against the better defenses on our schedule, yes.
A 2-dimensional offense against good teams? Without significant improvement, Hurts can't do that. Mac might be able to.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 1:23 pm to Bamafan15
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Is Jalen expected to be at practice today (being that he missed the team meeting)?
Tracking he is supposed to be at practice, although I am not sure if the meeting absence was planned ahead of time or not.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 1:24 pm to CrimsonBoz
LSU created the scheme in 2016 and Dabo and his staff added a little as well.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 2:21 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
LINK ]CECIL HURT: Will Hurts’ candid conversation help or hurt him? (TideSports)
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Jalen Hurts wanted to talk.
Glaringly obvious as Hurts spoke in the end zone at Bryant-Denny Stadium on Saturday morning, he was frustrated over seven months of silence, an entire spring training where he didn’t get to state his case and a quiet summer that followed. Silently, he’s had to listen while everyone from his head coach to his father to media members who, like it or not, are going to fill the vacuum of silence with opinion and conjecture, gave their own take on the matter. And fans, so many fans, all of whom have a right to their opinion, but none of whom (and this is true of media members, too) have a direct insight into Hurts’ mind.
So, on Saturday, he spoke.
Hurts answered questions, but you could tell that the answers had been formulating long before the questions were asked. This clearly had been weighing on Hurts all summer. His answers were honest and emotional. They barely touched on the “battle” at the quarterback position with Tua Tagovailoa. Hurts has been through all that before. The battle he was describing on Saturday was not to be the No. 1 quarterback but, as he put it, “the Number One source” about himself.
We can all relate to frustration. Not many can relate to the frustration of being the No. 1 topic of conversation in an entire football-crazy state. That frustration was compounded because much of the speculation was that if Hurts didn’t win the competition, he would transfer or, as it has been put often enough, that he would quit. The second thing that was obvious on Saturday, through all his frustration, was that it stung Hurts to hear that he would walk out on his team, on the school from which he intends to graduate.
There was nothing wrong with Hurts facing the media on Saturday and giving direct, heartfelt answers to questions at a press conference. Alabama made him available — he didn’t go on a social media tirade or a secret crusade. He didn’t dodge or sidestep questions. You have to respect that.
The question becomes, was it wise? Will it help him “win the team?” Will it affect his position in the quarterback battle? How much weight does the ultimate decision-maker, Nick Saban, give to the comments from his starting quarterback for the past two years?
Will he treat the next 30 days as a “this will be settled on the field” situation? Or will the “don’t do anything to draw attention to yourself” edict that came after the “Tua Day” celebration in Hawaii — that was never directly mentioned, but the timing of Saban’s statement was pretty clear — now enter into the process?
This time, the “No. 1 source” is Saban. Did he feel like Hurts called him out for not asking his opinion in the spring, or for telling the assemblage at SEC Media Days ”I have no idea” if Hurts would be present for the start of practice? (To be fair, Saban’s very next words were “I expect him to be there,” but that didn’t ring out quite so loudly.) My expectation is that Saban will be less outraged than people think, but not every hurricane makes landfall where you think it will.
There’s a perfectly plausible scenario, and always has been, in which Saban chooses to play Tagovailoa based on his belief that Tagovailoa gives the Alabama team a better chance to win football games. All this off-the-field drama may be irrelevant.
But Jalen Hurts wanted to talk. He spoke what he felt in his heart. Perhaps that will come with a cost, as it often does.
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 8/6/18 at 2:33 pm to prevatt33
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A 2-dimensional offense against good teams? Without significant improvement, Hurts can't do that. Mac might be able to
I could see Mac being similar to a young AJ McCarron. Close to the vest with the passing game and rely on a strong run game.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 3:07 pm to 615tider
Jalen is easy to defend. Stack the line of scrimmage. He isn't going to beat many teams with his arm. With mac at the helm Bama can beat you with the run or pass.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 3:54 pm to westide
Hurts was at practice and still at the front of the QB line taking the same amount of reps as usual according to BOL
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 8/6/18 at 3:58 pm to Bamafan15
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Is Jalen expected to be at practice today (being that he missed the team meeting)?
Per a BOL article Jalen is at practice today.
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 8/6/18 at 4:08 pm to westide
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Jalen is easy to defend.
@ westide:
While I agree with your sentiment, which is that Jalen doesn't at this moment put the fear in anyone with his passing ability, the notion that he is "easy" to defend is not true. We could likely win a championship with Jalen at the helm if we had to, but we'd have to change up our scheme to make the QB run a focus. But we just don't run nor do we want to run that scheme.
However, put Hurts in a scheme like Chip Kelly's or Dan Mullen's, and he'd thrive and be very hard to defend. Yes, our scheme functions better with a distributor at the QB position, but we can win a bunch of games with Hurts if we need to.
And I'm also the first person to say that Hurts has every right and every ability to improve the passing part of his game and be a better Bama QB than last year, and he may very well show improvement in fall camp. We could also run right through CFB with an improved Hurts. The problem for him is that an improved Hurts may not be enough to beat out Tua, if he's a phenom like we all hope.
@ everyone:
But let's get this one thing straight on this forum: Hurts didn't struggle last year because he CAN'T (present tense verb = always) play well - he simply didn't play well at times. He can and likely will get better. For reference, many, many Bama fans wanted Cyrus Jones' scholarship pulled midway through his first year starting at corner, but he developed over time and got drafted at the position. Hurts' performance level, just like all players, is not static, it is dynamic, and can very much improve - our coaches are trying to improve every player at every position and Hurts is no different.
Remember, too, that now all our QBs have a dedicated QB coach, and they didn't have that before. Also important to remember that Hurts has had a different OC for every year he's been at Bama. And lastly, Hurts has given his all for Bama, and deserves our respect.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 4:47 pm to prevatt33
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We could likely win a championship with Jalen at the helm if we had to, but we'd have to change up our scheme to make the QB run a focus. But we just don't run nor do we want to run that scheme.
Yet he led the team in rushing attempts last year even though we had multiple 5 star backs on the roster who are much better runners. So in essence we did run a scheme friendly to his talents last year. He just isn't a good quarterback for big time football in the SEC. He may do good with Lane.....
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 8/6/18 at 5:05 pm to Bamafan15
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Hurts was at practice and still at the front of the QB line taking the same amount of reps as usual according to BOL
Tagovailoa was first in line of the qb drills on the 2nd day. They are alternating, as I supposed would be the case.
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