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re: Golding is underwhelming!
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:50 am to bamameister
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:50 am to bamameister
Fine.
As has already been explained to you multiple times, we did not "look like crap for 4 quarters" in either game. Your love of hyperbole is hurting your argument here.
Against South Carolina, we entered the fourth quarter with a 21-point lead (34-13). Ninety seconds into the fourth quarter, that lead grew to 24 points. SC scored with 11 seconds left in the game to make the final margin 24 points instead of 31.
Against Ole Miss, we essentially shut down their offense for 2.5 quarters. We went into halftime with a 28-point lead; in fact, the only touchdown they got in the first half was due to a muffed punt on our 30-yard line. When the fourth quarter began, the score was 52-17, and I'm fairly certain liberal substitutions began happening on the defensive side of the ball at that point.
Neither of these scenarios is possible if the defense "looks like crap for 4 quarters."
I think Saban and Golding are using a version of Clemson's defense against us in the national championship game for the conference games thus far -- keep everything in front of us, make the other team work their way down the field, and count on stops once they get close to the red zone. It's not what we're used to seeing, but (in case you can't tell) it's worked -- we're 2-0 in the conference, with two relatively easy wins. Our young defensive players are getting valuable experience without (I hope) suffering a demoralizing impact.
I hope and expect the defense will improve over the course of the season, but I can understand how and why the defense is being called the way it is at the moment.
Now, I may be completely wrong, and you may be completely right. Given Saban's track record, though, I wouldn't bet on that.
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Then comes SC and OM and here comes the Nickel and we look like crap for 4 quarters.
As has already been explained to you multiple times, we did not "look like crap for 4 quarters" in either game. Your love of hyperbole is hurting your argument here.
Against South Carolina, we entered the fourth quarter with a 21-point lead (34-13). Ninety seconds into the fourth quarter, that lead grew to 24 points. SC scored with 11 seconds left in the game to make the final margin 24 points instead of 31.
Against Ole Miss, we essentially shut down their offense for 2.5 quarters. We went into halftime with a 28-point lead; in fact, the only touchdown they got in the first half was due to a muffed punt on our 30-yard line. When the fourth quarter began, the score was 52-17, and I'm fairly certain liberal substitutions began happening on the defensive side of the ball at that point.
Neither of these scenarios is possible if the defense "looks like crap for 4 quarters."
I think Saban and Golding are using a version of Clemson's defense against us in the national championship game for the conference games thus far -- keep everything in front of us, make the other team work their way down the field, and count on stops once they get close to the red zone. It's not what we're used to seeing, but (in case you can't tell) it's worked -- we're 2-0 in the conference, with two relatively easy wins. Our young defensive players are getting valuable experience without (I hope) suffering a demoralizing impact.
I hope and expect the defense will improve over the course of the season, but I can understand how and why the defense is being called the way it is at the moment.
Now, I may be completely wrong, and you may be completely right. Given Saban's track record, though, I wouldn't bet on that.
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:10 am to JustGetItRight
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Except they didn't. When Bama was up 45-10, OM had a sustained drive for a field goal and a short field drive for a TD. The other 8 drives were punts and one at the end of the half. They didn't sustain shait. They had roughly 250 total yards.
They ran roughshod over us in the latter stages of the 3rd and all of the 4th when we started subbing liberally (see SoG's thread) and gained as many yards in their last 5 possessions as they did in their first 10.
What you're doing is letting the emotional reaction to a bad finish give you a false impression of the entire game.
Mississippi started the game converting 4 of the first 5 on third-down conversions. Had 476 total yards and 279 on the ground against the Tide. They controlled the ball for 88 plays on one of the hottest days in late Sept on record. No optical ilussions on why we wore down in the 4th quarter.
How does that stuff translate against teams standing in front of where we want to go?
In 2017 we were leading Clemson 24-14 going into the 4th quarter. On the 99th defensive play of the game we gave up the 21st point in the 4th quarter and lost the NC.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:18 am to Sauron
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As has already been explained to you multiple times, we did not "look like crap for 4 quarters" in either game. Your love of hyperbole is hurting your argument here.
Against South Carolina, we entered the fourth quarter with a 21-point lead (34-13). Ninety seconds into the fourth quarter, that lead grew to 24 points. SC scored with 11 seconds left in the game to make the final margin 24 points instead of 31.
Against Ole Miss, we essentially shut down their offense for 2.5 quarters. We went into halftime with a 28-point lead; in fact, the only touchdown they got in the first half was due to a muffed punt on our 30-yard line. When the fourth quarter began, the score was 52-17, and I'm fairly certain liberal substitutions began happening on the defensive side of the ball at that point.
Neither of these scenarios is possible if the defense "looks like crap for 4 quarters."
I think Saban and Golding are using a version of Clemson's defense against us in the national championship game for the conference games thus far -- keep everything in front of us, make the other team work their way down the field, and count on stops once they get close to the red zone. It's not what we're used to seeing, but (in case you can't tell) it's worked -- we're 2-0 in the conference, with two relatively easy wins. Our young defensive players are getting valuable experience without (I hope) suffering a demoralizing impact.
I hope and expect the defense will improve over the course of the season, but I can understand how and why the defense is being called the way it is at the moment.
Now, I may be completely wrong, and you may be completely right. Given Saban's track record, though, I wouldn't bet on that.
There is absolutely nothing that happens in the 1st quarter, or the 2nd quarter, or the 3rd quarter that doesn't have a direct bearing on the 4th quarter results. Ole Miss didn't run 70 of those 88 plays in the 4th quarter.
Even in the conservative pro-set Bama ran for so long was all designed to lean on a defense and change the scoreboard in the second half.
We've played 2 SEC teams so far and in both games, we have put our defense on the field for almost 90 plays. Much better SEC teams are coming.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:11 am to bamameister
If my math is right, Ole Miss ran 47 plays in the second half. They received the kickoff, so you'd expect a slightly higher play count in the half based on that.
Six of those plays were their last scoring drive. If Metchie catches that pass that hit him in the hands on our last real possession, Ole Miss never gets the chance to run those six plays or score the final touchdown against second- and third-team defenders.
Would it make you feel better if Alabama's defensive stats from the game were 24 points allowed on 400 yards gained? Because that's what it could have and should have been.
When the offense is scoring as quickly as we do, time of possession is going to go against us. Likewise, the defense is going to be on the field more. That's the nature of the beast when you have five first-round talents at QB and WR.
Last I checked, the object is to score more points than the other team. I believe the defense is being coached right now to put us in the best position to do that.
Six of those plays were their last scoring drive. If Metchie catches that pass that hit him in the hands on our last real possession, Ole Miss never gets the chance to run those six plays or score the final touchdown against second- and third-team defenders.
Would it make you feel better if Alabama's defensive stats from the game were 24 points allowed on 400 yards gained? Because that's what it could have and should have been.
When the offense is scoring as quickly as we do, time of possession is going to go against us. Likewise, the defense is going to be on the field more. That's the nature of the beast when you have five first-round talents at QB and WR.
Last I checked, the object is to score more points than the other team. I believe the defense is being coached right now to put us in the best position to do that.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:45 am to Sauron
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If my math is right, Ole Miss ran 47 plays in the second half. They received the kickoff, so you'd expect a slightly higher play count in the half based on that.
Six of those plays were their last scoring drive. If Metchie catches that pass that hit him in the hands on our last real possession, Ole Miss never gets the chance to run those six plays or score the final touchdown against second- and third-team defenders.
Would it make you feel better if Alabama's defensive stats from the game were 24 points allowed on 400 yards gained? Because that's what it could have and should have been.
When the offense is scoring as quickly as we do, time of possession is going to go against us. Likewise, the defense is going to be on the field more. That's the nature of the beast when you have five first-round talents at QB and WR.
Last I checked, the object is to score more points than the other team. I believe the defense is being coached right now to put us in the best position to do that.
I've clearly made the distinction between the times Bama is in our Dime package and when we are in the Nickel. I've also made the distinction when we are in our 3-4 base vs pro-set teams. The results are dramatically different. Lumping the results together is just stupid and misinformed. I think the replies at least need to be addressed accordingly.
I will be happy to submit that the gameplan and results this season aren't even close. I would also submit that if you dismissed both Ole miss and SC statistics, which we ran primarily out of our Nickel defense, we would be a top 10 defense, running mostly out of the Dime set.
Of course, that's not going to eliminate the HUNH RPO spread teams on our schedule. Especially the ones who can run the ball effectively and are balanced in their attack. In other words, there are a lot more Nickel teams where that came from.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:01 am to bamameister
Man you just ignored the facts of what he just gave you.
We definately were not prepared for the OM quarterback, but after the first couple of possessions, they made an adjustments to bring a def back up, and then we ran off a bunch of points. Was it 28? And just because we had the subs in for the 4th qtr doesnt mean our players were worn down. When you are up 30 points, playing the reserves is a good thing, even if they get torched.
We definately were not prepared for the OM quarterback, but after the first couple of possessions, they made an adjustments to bring a def back up, and then we ran off a bunch of points. Was it 28? And just because we had the subs in for the 4th qtr doesnt mean our players were worn down. When you are up 30 points, playing the reserves is a good thing, even if they get torched.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:07 am to IB4bama
I am really confused on why Lee is our LB in pass coverage defenses... Harris played CB and S in HS for God's sake. Kaho is extremely athletic also. Lee is too slow to cover in the flats...I guees it is just the fact of making the calls and
knowing where to be - and I get that (but we had a cup cake schedule to get harris up to speed IMO)!?!?!?
We will get killed against the better teams in that phase of the game, I am afraid. Hope I am wrong.
knowing where to be - and I get that (but we had a cup cake schedule to get harris up to speed IMO)!?!?!?
We will get killed against the better teams in that phase of the game, I am afraid. Hope I am wrong.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 11:22 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:20 am to 1ManWolfPack
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I am really confused on why Lee is our LB in pass coverage defenses... Harris played CB and S in HS for God's sake.
The answer is right there in your own sentence. Harris has never played linebacker before. Not at Alabama, but period.
Between Wilson leaving early and Moses and McMillon sustaining season-ending injuries, Harris should be a 3rd-teamer on the scout team learning a brand new position, but he has been thrust into starting duties thanks to rotten luck. He is no where near ready for the responsibilities of being the sole MLB.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:27 am to bamameister
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Christian Harris can't identify when he has coverage. It got him a seat against SC and our DBs are still having to line the kid up correctly. How in the world is a kid who played safety in high school not getting this?
Because he played safety in high school?
Dude has never played a down at linebacker in his life and is starting at MLB in the SEC after being on campus for 2 months and you're confused as to why he might be confused?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:31 am to IB4bama
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Man you just ignored the facts of what he just gave you.
We definately were not prepared for the OM quarterback, but after the first couple of possessions, they made an adjustments to bring a def back up, and then we ran off a bunch of points. Was it 28? And just because we had the subs in for the 4th qtr doesnt mean our players were worn down. When you are up 30 points, playing the reserves is a good thing, even if they get torched.
Mr. Lee was in the game along with the X-man and it was Mayden that intercepted the OM QB with 5:30 to go in the 4th quarter.
A lot of 1st stringers were in the game deep in the 4th quarter. It wasn't until that interception that OM brought in the backup QB.
I think I must not be the only Bama fan completely overlooking stuff.
So, I went back and crunched a few of the defensive stats so far:
Duke: 42-3 defense held them to 204 yards for the game.
NMS: 62-10 defense held them to 262 yards for the game.
SM: 49-7 defense held them to 226 yards for the game.
If our defense had averaged that for the 5 game schedule Alabama would be ranked #3 in the nation in total defense.
That's how good our freshmen defensive players, our DC have been away from these 2 SEC teams. So, where's the problem guys?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:39 am to bamameister
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That's how good our freshmen defensive players, our DC have been away from these 2 SEC teams. So, where's the problem guys?
Maybe we're playing SEC teams (one of those on the road) with significantly better talent than those other teams?
Maybe we played two very good QBs (freshmen, true, but very good) with almost no way to prep for the way those offenses would be run based on the talent of the QBs?
Maybe we're scheming our defense a little differently based on the fact these are SEC teams and we can't realistically expect to completely out-talent them to get the win?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:48 am to Sauron
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Maybe we're scheming our defense a little differently based on the fact these are SEC teams
There you go. I knew it was in there, somewhere. Given that our personnel is kicking azz otherwise, it must be that dang, pesky Nickel look we've been parading out there in front of these teams.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:01 pm to bamameister
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Given that our personnel is kicking azz otherwise, it must be that dang, pesky Nickel look we've been parading out there in front of these teams.
I think you're extrapolating waaaaaay too much from that single aspect.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:16 pm to Sauron
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I think you're extrapolating waaaaaay too much from that single aspect.
We ran Dime and Nickel packages about 80% of the time last season. With LSU going over to the dark side, it will be even more this schedule.
The offense will always have the advantage in that the rules and the HUNH RPO concept make it too difficult with teams with equal talent to not have the edge. So, pretty much all teams are in damage control, to a large degree.
So far, for my money, I'll take Pruitt's version of why it works, when it works. Protect your defense, it's a great investment.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:21 pm to bamameister
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So far, for my money, I'll take Pruitt's version of why it works, when it works. Protect your defense, it's a great investment
And so far, you have no proof whatsoever that Pruitt would be doing any better with this defense, because he's never had a true freshman nose tackle, true freshman Mike, and true freshman Will on the field as starters.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:46 pm to Sauron
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And so far, you have no proof whatsoever that Pruitt would be doing any better with this defense, because he's never had a true freshman nose tackle, true freshman Mike, and true freshman Will on the field as starters.
And yet all these freshmen and this defense would be ranked #3 in the land when they go to a defensive scheme that puts some semblance of pressure on the QB. Can it really be talent or inexperience?
We had our fair share of injuries in 2017 that forced a lot of guys into positions with little experience.
We lost Lewis and Miller in the opening game. Shaun Dion Hamilton was lost for the year after the LSU game. Mack Wilson was hurt with a bad foot. Dylan Moses comes in as a true freshman and we lose him for the rest of the year after the barner game. But the absence of Hamilton and Wilson in the middle of the defense was not insignificant at Mississippi State and in parts of the loss at Auburn.
We were left sifting through guys like Holcombe, McMillion, and Mosley for warm bodies.
As a defense, 35 games were lost to injury by players in the regular season who appeared on the opening day depth chart.
Only three defensive players started every game that season.
That defense went on to win the NC and finish #1 in total defense under that Pruitt.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:13 pm to bamameister
Okay. Pruitt is the answer. We've got to have Pruitt. That's the only thing that will solve the problems you see.
Problem: Pruitt is the head coach at Tennessee. So he's not available.
So … fire Golding. Who do you replace him with?
Problem: Pruitt is the head coach at Tennessee. So he's not available.
So … fire Golding. Who do you replace him with?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:16 pm to Sauron
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Okay. Pruitt is the answer. We've got to have Pruitt. That's the only thing that will solve the problems you see.
Problem: Pruitt is the head coach at Tennessee. So he's not available.
So … fire Golding. Who do you replace him with?
In that these are your personal scenarios, why don't you tell us?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:30 pm to bamameister
What? How is any of this my personal scenario?
You've been quite clear that you want Pruitt, and you don't want Golding. Every attempt to explain to you why Golding (and Saban) may be doing the things they're doing has been brushed aside with "the defense was better under Pruitt."
But we can't get Pruitt now. For that matter, we may not ever hire him again.
So: Who do you want as DC?
You've been quite clear that you want Pruitt, and you don't want Golding. Every attempt to explain to you why Golding (and Saban) may be doing the things they're doing has been brushed aside with "the defense was better under Pruitt."
But we can't get Pruitt now. For that matter, we may not ever hire him again.
So: Who do you want as DC?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:32 pm to Sauron
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