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re: Fall Practice Thread. "Practice?" "We Talkin' Bout Practice?"

Posted on 8/24/15 at 7:58 am to
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 7:58 am to
Whole lot of panic and worry over nothing. Of the 5 QB's, at least one of them will be good enough.
Posted by eric4UA08
Member since Nov 2008
2027 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:09 am to
I have still yet to understand why everyone is so scared of Morris.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
56150 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:13 am to
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casty


We in trouble yall.

Just start Barnett and be done with it


Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:18 am to
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I have still yet to understand why everyone is so scared of Morris.


This.

As much as I love Blake Sims, it was clear that for at least the first half of the year he didn't have a complete grasp of the offense, struggled with reads, and generally required a great deal of hand-holding from the sidelines.

All he managed to do was break most every single season passing record, win the SEC, and come within a TD of playing for a national title.

Everyone says Morris knows the offense inside-out. If that's the case and he's the guy then IMO that will go a long way to keep him out of situations where Blake found himself forced to make things happen with his feet.

Throw in what appears to be a much improved secondary and possibly the best D-line in the nation and you've got a path to Atlanta that doesn't require any voodoo at all.
Posted by spacewrangler
In my easy chair with my boots on..
Member since Sep 2009
9856 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:26 am to
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 front 7 is better than 2011. 



A push at best. The 15 d line is probably better but LB 2011 hands down. One of the best LB groups of all times.


Dont'a Hightower Junior Linebacker
C. J. Mosley Sophomore Linebacker
Courtney Upshaw Senior Linebacker
Nico Johnson Junior Linebacker

With these guys as back ups
Trey Depriest, Xzavier Dickson, Tana Patrick, Adrian Hubbard



2011 secondary is better, 2015 may have more talent in the end but we don't know now and won't until the youngsters have played more games.

Bold would start over current players.

Mark Barron Senior Safety
Robert Lester Junior Safety
Dre Kirkpatrick Junior Cornerback
DeQuan Menzie Senior Cornerback
Dee Milliner Sophomore Cornerback
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:34 am to
Robert Lester too.
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:57 am to
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Drew DeArmond @DrewD977ESPN
How I rank the QBs I saw at the Crimson Tide's 2nd scrimmage of fall practice 2015

QB1: Morris
2. Bateman
3. Barnett
4. Coker
5. Cornwell

For those that didn't read the rest of his tweets, he clarified his reasoning with his rankings:
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Drew DeArmond @DrewD977ESPN
Explanation for the rankings: Morris has a GREAT knowledge of the Offense, did not make mistakes & can mentor Blake Barnett

Bateman has shown improvement and is a great athlete; can extend plays but has not been consistent throwing; looked better Saturday but...

Blake Barnett is the future; he has all the tools: size, arm talent, athletic ability & football IQ to be great; all he needs is time & reps

Coker has had multiple opportunities 2 step up & be the starter but is not accurate, makes poor decisions & has zero feel 4 the position IMO

Cornwell has great size & ?? tools but his poor fall practice has put him behind Barnett, who is a better prospect in my [opinion]...

If his analysis is accurate, this bodes well for the future as Barnett could grow in the position and learn from Morris...and could either redshirt or get some reps in mop-up duty...

Could also work out well this year...if Morris can be an efficient game manager and if our D, particularly the secondary, is as improved as we hope it to be, we could still make a lot of noise this year as well...

DeArmond ranking Morris as #1 didn't surprise me as much as ranking Bateman as the #2...ultimately though his rankings don't matter...it'll be interesting to see if (or how much) Saban's/Kiffin's final QB depth chart agrees with this ranking...
Posted by South Alabama Tide
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 9:44 am to
If it doesn't shake out where his rankings match up to what actually happens then drew will just claim whomever moved up had a great past 2 weeks and whomever moved down had a horrible 2 weeks.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 10:07 am to
Good points. If Alec can read a defense and really knows the offense as well as it sounds, I don't think he'd limit us. Is his arm as strong as Coker/Barnett/Cornwell's? No, probably not, but he has a more than solid arm. He should be able to make the throws. The only thing I worry on is touch, as Saban mentioned it being a thing he has to improve.
Posted by eric4UA08
Member since Nov 2008
2027 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 10:33 am to
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Good points. If Alec can read a defense and really knows the offense as well as it sounds, I don't think he'd limit us. Is his arm as strong as Coker/Barnett/Cornwell's? No, probably not, but he has a more than solid arm. He should be able to make the throws. The only thing I worry on is touch, as Saban mentioned it being a thing he has to improve.


I completely agree with you. Yes he has a solid arm. He threw the ball 53 yards from his knees. Since a lot of message board Bama fans only seen concerned with how far a QB can toss it, he should more than pass the test. I don't get the "arm" concern from some people. This isn't the Brandon Avalos or Spencer Pennington era anymore, there's no need to worry about arm strength. Morris may not have a rifle attached to his shoulder like Matthew Stafford, but he knows the offense and Blake Sims himself said Morris gave him tips on picking apart defenses last season. He is easily big enough for the position, and the guy just doesn't seem to get worked up. I agree that touch is a concern if Saban says so. Other than that, he seems to have what everyone is looking for in a Bama QB.. But people don't want to see it in him. For some reason, we are desperate to have a guy who will get drafted. You gotta win games first, and I think Morris is the guy to help us win games. He's going to get called a "game manager" this year, guys. Every Bama QB will be called that.. Thank you, media, for twisting Saban's definition of that in to meaning "guy who can't do much so he relies on everyone else." But make that call for yourself. I bet Morris will manage the game better than anyone else on our roster. I also bet he has the tools to erase the "game manager" tag. Everyone just has to decide for themselves if their gonna give him a fair shot at erasing that tag. I can't wait. I think he is going to surprise a lot of people.



.... Now watch him not be the starter.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22275 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 10:44 am to
I have zero problem with Morris winning the job, if he does. People don't want to get on board because he didn't have a lot of stars by his name back when he was recruited. But, he may be just what this team needs. He seems like a leader and a smart guy. That's most of the battle right there.

But, like I said, I'm not worried. Whoever wins will be a pretty good QB.
Posted by phaz
Waddell, AZ
Member since Jan 2009
6480 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 10:59 am to
Morris supposedly has as strong an arm as anyone. Touch passes are supposedly his weakness
Posted by Rizzy
Deez Nuts, USA
Member since Oct 2013
2742 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:08 am to
quote:

Much talk about David Cornwell being in the doghouse; can confirm it was not a verbal disagreement with HC Nick Saban & OC Lane Kiffin
— Drew DeArmond (@DrewD977ESPN) August 23, 2015

It was an off-the-field incident, after a subpar end of spring practice, that set the tone for a poor fall camp; pic.twitter.com/XRaCLRK5q6
— Drew DeArmond (@DrewD977ESPN) August 23, 2015
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:21 am to
I got absolutely nothing against Morris, but I would just be a little surprised if he were the starter.

He's been on campus since 2012 and hasn't attempted a pass in a game ever. Whereas Coker came to Tuscaloosa in the summer of last year and was clearly the backup after a couple of months with the squad.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:34 am to
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Whereas Coker came to Tuscaloosa in the summer of last year and was clearly the backup after a couple of months with the squad.


That's what I'm having a hard time with too. How is it that Coker immediately jumped ahead of Morris, Bateman, and Cornwell last year, yet is struggling to win the job now that he's presumably got a better understanding of the O? I'd hate to think that the staff just gifted him the back-up job last year based on hype and the fact that he had a little game experience in mop-up duty. I don't know. He could still wind up being the starter this year as the supposed leader of the QB race changes almost daily.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
56150 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:43 am to
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How is it that Coker immediately jumped ahead of Morris, Bateman, and Cornwell last year, yet is struggling to win the job now that he's presumably got a better understanding of the O?


As the sample size has grown, the facts of the matter have become more obvious, IMO. The shine of Coker's physical attributes have worn off, and the coaches see that he just isn't that accurate and efficient in our offense.

That could be completely wrong, and Coker could prove me wrong-I hope he does. But that is what it looks like to me.

quote:

I'd hate to think that the staff just gifted him the back-up job last year based on hype and the fact that he had a little game experience in mop-up duty.


It kind of seems as though this is the case, huh?


This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 11:44 am
Posted by crimson crazy
Member since Oct 2008
20817 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:54 am to
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Much talk about David Cornwell being in the doghouse; can confirm it was not a verbal disagreement with HC Nick Saban & OC Lane Kiffin — Drew DeArmond
(@DrewD977ESPN) August 23, 2015

It was an off-the-field incident, after a subpar end of spring practice, that set the tone for a poor fall camp; pic.twitter.com/XRaCLRK5q6 — Drew DeArmond (@DrewD977ESPN) August 23, 2015


Drew is off on this one. He's in the doghouse for both. I know because someone who saw it told me, before it made the message boards.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21970 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 11:57 am to
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I'd hate to think that the staff just gifted him the back-up job last year based on hype and the fact that he had a little game experience in mop-up duty.

maybe the other qbs have progressed. i kinda hope its morris myself at this point. hes careful with the ball, something none of the other qbs can say. he is in the ballpark at least with physical attributes (arm strenth, mobilty, etc), hes been on campus the longest, he knows the offense the best, he has no history of injuries. Other guys might have better physically butif he can be effective while protecting the ball, he will be the guy. especially with all the emphasis on turnover margin this offseason. throwing 3 tds but 2 picks is not going to fly with saban this year. He has been a team first player and is liked and respected by everybody so he would im sure have the support of the rest of the players. Plus if he plays for 2 years it gives barnett the perfect opportunity to redshirt and mature for a year, then be the backup for a year
This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
56150 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 12:05 pm to
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maybe the other qbs have progressed.


Oh yeah, no doubt.

One thing that a lot of us get stuck on sometimes is that our opinions of players(QBs mainly) are set in concrete based on one practice/game/scrimmage, and we don't consider a player actually being able to progress from year to year, or their "light-bulb" coming on. We have to remember that these guys are young, and still maturing pretty much every day.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 8/24/15 at 12:07 pm to
Was it Drew who last summer implied that CNS had told people that Coker is "phenomenal"? It was one of the insiders but can't remember if it was Drew.
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