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re: Dan Patrick SEC working on super conference
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:16 am to TideWarrior
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:16 am to TideWarrior
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This shows you how little Patrick knows. From my understanding OU can not leave unless you take OSU as well. Something to do at the state government level. IIRC this was an issue back in the original expansion days.
Also to add any team in the SEC you have all to have all members agrees. So you need 14 votes to add a school and aTm will never allow Texas to join.
You know he's only talking about for a 2020 schedule, right? This has nothing to do with permanent conference realignment...just a temporary one year change, so there would likely be no need to bring OSU. Oklahoma can schedule whoever they want for what are basically all out-of-conference games.
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Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:17 am to TideWarrior
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From my understanding OU can not leave unless you take OSU as well.
I keep hearing this but is that really true? I haven't see anything to that effect although I assume the state legislature might have something to say about it.
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aTm will never allow Texas to join.
They will do what they are told if the other 13 want it.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:27 am to TideWarrior
I don't think the SEC is looking to poach. I do think we'll see the SEC, Big 12 and ACC create a Power 5 alliance or league and eventually the Pac 12 and Big 10 will conform because they will have no choice.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:31 am to 14&Counting
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They will do what they are told if the other 13 want it.
If that was the case expansion to 16 may have already happened. When expansion was really going it was already being reported that UF, USC, UK and aTm had already said know to any instate teams. I remember reading an article regarding UK and saying they would never allow Louisville in the league.
Plus why in the hell would we add another team from a current state?
There would be no gain in TV market access. And it would only hurt recruiting as well. aTm has been a success for UA in the recruiting realm. Opening that market up has helped us get in where only LSU had been successful from our conference. You add Texas and it only hurts UA and many others. The same for adding someone like Miami. It would affect us recruiting and add nothing to the current TV market in FL for us.
I doubt you will ever see the majority of SEC teams agree to add another team from a state we are already in.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:32 am to BamaGradinTn
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You know he's only talking about for a 2020 schedule, right? This has nothing to do with permanent conference realignment...just a temporary one year change, so there would likely be no need to bring OSU. Oklahoma can schedule whoever they want for what are basically all out-of-conference games.
Yes and I mentioned that in another reply but was saying some are stretching that to an opportunity for long term.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:36 am to Shaft Williams
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I don't think the SEC is looking to poach. I do think we'll see the SEC, Big 12 and ACC create a Power 5 alliance or league and eventually the Pac 12 and Big 10 will conform because they will have no choice.
I feel pretty confident from I have been told the ACC will not play, at least that is the feeling as they are in a wait and see pattern with classes starting this week and the virus is handled. But at UNC they are being criticized by the state health dept and the CDC for lacking safety protocols. The reports out there seem to suggest though that the Big 12 is closer to making a decision then the ACC. So we will see.
The SEC is scheduled to start games now on September 26th which gives them ample time to see how this will play out. It will also allow them more time to make sure any current safety protocols in place are working and to adjust as needed. They have the best plan in place so far IMO.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:47 am to TideWarrior
Was adding FSU and Miami at one time, eventually their call or the SEC, or both? It would seem that if another team from an SEC state was being considered it would have a lot to do with the general population. Maybe Florida doesn't want to see FSU for reasons you mentioned. But they historically recruit at least as well as the Gators when they are hitting on all cylinders and it's hard to say either Miami or FSU take a back seat to Florida historically in football prowess. Louisville might not have the same demographics nor cache when it comes to college football prestige and then I could see where Kentucky's argument makes a lot more business sense.
To be fair, I was hoping for both FSU and Miami long before we got SC and Arkansas.
To be fair, I was hoping for both FSU and Miami long before we got SC and Arkansas.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:53 am to TideWarrior
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If that was the case expansion to 16 may have already happened. When expansion was really going it was already being reported that UF, USC, UK and aTm had already said know to any instate teams. I remember reading an article regarding UK and saying they would never allow Louisville in the league.
Texas is an all together different proposition, It is the flagship in the second largest state with 35MM+ people. Despite what Aggies tell you, UT commands the lions share of eyeballs much like Bama does in state. I don't think hurts: UCLA and Cal co-exist in the same conference.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 11:54 am to TideWarrior
I get the feeling the sports media is a bunch of shite stirrers and many of you guys are falling for it. They may have wet dreams of super-conferences, but if expansion to 14 teams showed anything, it showed the bigger it gets, the more unwieldy it gets. Missouri has no business in the SEC and the majority of fans at Missou and the other schools don't like the marriage. So now we are going to absorb Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska? Why? So ESPN can have a "Big Brother, College Football Style" reality show? Because that's what it would be.
We should play football this year, even if it's in empty stadia. Something is better than nothing. Nothing is going to change in the spring. What does the B1G do then? Going off unilaterally should burn every bridge we tenuously had with the B1G and PAC12. Y'all go play your little Rose Bowl and frick yourself in the process and the horse you rode in on. Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, maybe Michigan and USC are the only schools worth having out of both leagues. They need to either throw their weight around and get their leagues under control, or get the hell out. The SEC, ACC, and Big XII are holding all the cards right now. Tell ESPN to STFU and show up when and where we tell you to televise our games or you can go kick rocks too. I'm sure another network would write us a check to replace you and your arrogance.
Corona and the entire syndrome of it's effects is serious and scary. But the best procedures and care is in place to manage it for these players. The key is test, test, test and keep it out of the programs. If they don't get infected, the effects are a moot point. If a player does test positive, he is out until a battery of doctors including cardiologists clear them as healthy and in no danger. We can do this, y'all. It just takes a vigilant and dedicated effort.
We should play football this year, even if it's in empty stadia. Something is better than nothing. Nothing is going to change in the spring. What does the B1G do then? Going off unilaterally should burn every bridge we tenuously had with the B1G and PAC12. Y'all go play your little Rose Bowl and frick yourself in the process and the horse you rode in on. Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, maybe Michigan and USC are the only schools worth having out of both leagues. They need to either throw their weight around and get their leagues under control, or get the hell out. The SEC, ACC, and Big XII are holding all the cards right now. Tell ESPN to STFU and show up when and where we tell you to televise our games or you can go kick rocks too. I'm sure another network would write us a check to replace you and your arrogance.
Corona and the entire syndrome of it's effects is serious and scary. But the best procedures and care is in place to manage it for these players. The key is test, test, test and keep it out of the programs. If they don't get infected, the effects are a moot point. If a player does test positive, he is out until a battery of doctors including cardiologists clear them as healthy and in no danger. We can do this, y'all. It just takes a vigilant and dedicated effort.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:06 pm to TideWarrior
It’s mainly the Rant people talking about super conferences and just jumping ship overnight 
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:17 pm to phil4bama
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Corona and the entire syndrome of it's effects is serious and scary. But the best procedures and care is in place to manage it for these players. The key is test, test, test and keep it out of the programs. If they don't get infected, the effects are a moot point. If a player does test positive, he is out until a battery of doctors including cardiologists clear them as healthy and in no danger. We can do this, y'all. It just takes a vigilant and dedicated effort.
I agree 100%. If you can do this, you can have a season. Where it gets murky is - from a financial standpoint, how much is this going to cost?
The first barrier is getting schools to outright say, right now - "no fans." Texas A&M is still under some delusion that there will be 55K at Kyle. If that's even in consideration, you've just gotta pull the plug.
The second is, setting up a professional league level standard of care and protocol. Everything from daily testing, to quarantine protocols, and very, very specific guidelines for travel for games. If it means designating a hotel in each SEC town as the official hotel of SEC quarantine play, then so be it.
The third hurdle will be being VERY stringent on allowing people into town on gameday weekends. Rope off the quad. Have vigilant monitoring of Bars/Restaraunts/etc... in towns. I know there will be plenty of folks who will want to pack up the wagon and tailgate, without being allowed in the game. Heck, there are already folks I know that do that.
To be able to institute such policies, get the infrastructure in place, and above all, total compliance among 14 institutions with highly varying levels of disposable income is going to be quite the task. Alabama, LSU, A&M, and Georgia could pull it off, but other schools like Vandy, Ole Miss, State, Kentucky, etc... might not find that the juice is worth the squeeze from an expense and liability standpoint.
Couple that with only having roughly 45 days to get it together, and it's a pretty tough task for even the most talented and cash-flush administrations.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:19 pm to 14&Counting
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Texas is an all together different proposition, It is the flagship in the second largest state with 35MM+ people. Despite what Aggies tell you, UT commands the lions share of eyeballs much like Bama does in state
Exactly why aTm is better for us. The aggies added a huge TV market for the conference and since they have joined Texas has been in a shambles. Mainly in my opinion due to the lock down the Longhorns once had on the state for recruiting. Now the SEC is there and offer a better product and you see kids leaving the state then any other time.
Texas may be the brand name in the state but they are not in the best league. The SEC has all the prestige with teams, coaches, and NFL draftees. Thanks to aTm joining the SEC has made recruits look elsewhere and Texas has taken a backdoor.
Like Texas being this rich guy trying to get into Augusta as a member but aTm got lucky and married a current member.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:23 pm to phil4bama
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I get the feeling the sports media is a bunch of shite stirrers and many of you guys are falling for it. They may have wet dreams of super-conferences, but if expansion to 14 teams showed anything, it showed the bigger it gets, the more unwieldy it gets. Missouri has no business in the SEC and the majority of fans at Missou and the other schools don't like the marriage. So now we are going to absorb Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska? Why? So ESPN can have a "Big Brother, College Football Style" reality show? Because that's what it would be.
I do not follow these media outlets especially ESPN and I stated I was never for expansion. But money drives the train and very seldom has it ever done anything for us fans that was in our best interest.
I also no reason not to play. Just keep student athletes on campus and send the rest home.
At best you could have played an 8 game season spreading out games every 2 weeks to allow for quarantine.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:34 pm to Diogenes
The Athletic speculated that the future of CFB involves trimming a lot of the fat and grouping the 30 to 40 true money makers into one league. Personally I hate the idea but who knows if this ushers in that era
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:45 pm to ATLabama
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I look forward to the return of College Football as we know it in the fall of 2021. Forgoing this bastard season everyone is dying to have is worth it.
First off, I'm not trying to patronize you. Just genuinely curious. What do you expect to happen in the next 12 months that makes a 2021 college football season so much more feasible than this one?
An effective vaccine? Some sort of herd immunity? Better treatments for Covid-19 being available?
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:52 pm to Glorious
I could go along with that as long as you get it down to 4 leagues on a regional basis of 10 teams each. Don't give us Missouri and don't give us Va Tech. A&M would be a stretch. I'd go with Bama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, FSU, Clemson, Kentucky, and North Carolina.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:53 pm to Diogenes
Please let this happen!!!
Posted on 8/12/20 at 12:59 pm to 14&Counting
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They will do what they are told if the other 13 want it.
There's somewhat of a gentleman's agreement in the SEC between Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and A&M that they would never vote in favor of Georgia Tech, FSU, Clemson, or Texas joining the group.
However, if there is some seismic shift in the CFB landscape, all bets are likely off.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:08 pm to Glorious
Word on the street is TV rights will triple in the next 2022 negotiation. The new TV players will be Amazon, Google, NetFlix driving up the payout for Disney. For that to be profitable, the expectation will force the top 40 teams to only play one another.
I prefer to create rivalries within our own conference that will drive TV ratings. Also, I don't want to expand the playoffs to 8 teams. If the season is highly competitive then expanding the playoffs wouldn't be necessary.
Make the season the playoff.
I prefer to create rivalries within our own conference that will drive TV ratings. Also, I don't want to expand the playoffs to 8 teams. If the season is highly competitive then expanding the playoffs wouldn't be necessary.
Make the season the playoff.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/12/20 at 1:08 pm to Cousin Key
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First off, I'm not trying to patronize you. Just genuinely curious. What do you expect to happen in the next 12 months that makes a 2021 college football season so much more feasible than this one?
No need to caveat, I understand where you're coming from.
We have equity research analysts at my place of work that covers companies across various industries who, in my opinion, do a great job producing content that addresses COVID-19. Our healthcare analysts have identified 3-4 pharma companies who are in contention to have a fully-tested, ready to go to market vaccine available in Q4, for mass production in Q1 2021.
Other reports echo the optimism of normalcy next year, citing both vaccine production, a quasi-herd immunity standard, and general heightened sanitary efforts that are likely to carry through the end of the year. Not giving away names, but these people cover very relevant sectors such as TMT, Entertainment & Hospitality, as well as Consumer Products. Every prognostication adjusted for COVID-19 sees a sharp uptick in revenue around the Q2 marker - including travel.
Like anything else in the US, follow the money. We are a capitalist system - everything is geared towards making and spending money in a free market. There is very little political bias and outside influence when you read an equity research report. Their job is to be "right." That is why analysts who have a history of price targets that closely trail earnings and buy/sell/hold recommendations that make and preserve capital for investors get paid millions of dollars by banks, even though they aren't revenue-producing professionals.
All of these factors lead me to believe that we will have a "handle" on the virus by summer. Will CFB games in some places have less than max capacity? Perhaps. But I can absolutely see us tailgating and going to games next year. Like most things that are valuable in life, it'll be worth the wait.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 1:10 pm
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