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re: Dabo needs to be our next coach. Period.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:28 am to Teague
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:28 am to Teague
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You don't have to like them to think they're impressive. Imagine an 18 ft venomous snake that can raise the front 1/3 of it's body high enough off the ground to look you in the eye.
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Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:38 am to pvilleguru
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I don't like him.
I dislike him constantly bringing up religion. I feel that it is alienating and innapropraite.
If I had to make the call, I wouldn't hire him for that reason, but I won't be that guy and that is probably for the best.
If he can keep the system going post-Saban, I'll settle for him but it will be somewhat begrudgingly.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 10:52 am to JustGetItRight
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A coaching hire is, more than any single factor, defendant on the timing of the vacancy
People really underestimate how timing plays into hiring a coach. If Saban wasn’t itching to get back to college, we might have kept Shula or had some b-team coach. You just never know when you can catch the right coach at the right time.
Hiring Saban proved to me once and for all that we should never settle for a coach. If it takes resetting the market then do it. I’ve been saying this for years and Clay Travis has touched on this as well. Schools undervalue coaching and overvalue facilities. Sure, it takes both but an elite coach is everything in college. Look at the collection of coaches who have been in the playoff since it started. It’s basically the list of the top coaches in the country. Will never forget T Boone Pickens giving $100 million to Oklahoma State. OSU pledges to put it in facilities. I was saying to myself “They should just give it all to Saban or Meyer.” It would’ve done more for them in the end.
Again, I don’t want Saban to leave anytime soon but I like that we are at least talking about what happens next because I don’t want another 25 years in the wilderness. We need to go after the best coach available and give them an offer they can’t refuse. If that’s Dabo, then so be it. I don’t see a better option at this moment. He knows our culture, he’s proven to be a top flight recruiter in this part of the country, and he would have the political capital to do things his way. It wouldn’t be a culture shock to him nor would he have to adjust to life in the spotlight. Take his name off the resume and it’s a no brainer. I hated Saban when he was at LSU. He seemed like a first class jerk...but I prayed to every diety known to man that we would one day have a coach like him when I saw him lose it after giving up that field goal to us in 2003.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:05 am to FairhopeTider
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I don’t want another 25 years in the wilderness.
I hear what you're saying but I can't let this go without making the point that Alabama hasn't spent 25 years it the wilderness since it started playing football.
Specifically, between Bryant and Saban the ONLY thing that kept Gene Stallings from playing for two more national championships in his seven seasons was the presence of Steve Spurrier at Florida.
I'd be pretty damned pleased if we could follow Saban with someone that successful.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:24 am to JustGetItRight
No doubt...as long as it comes without the NCAA penalties. To your point, sometimes you have to know that it’s ok if you aren’t playing for a title every year. Look at the rest of the SEC right now. Half the programs have fired or want to fire their coach. Some are in that position (cough...LSU...cough) because they got greedy and wanted what we have. You can’t be complacent but you can’t overreact either. It’s a fine line to walk.
I think we spent 25 years leaning too hard on tradition and the mentality that we were going to be good just because we were Alabama. We got passed by a lot of programs and had a revolving door of coaches. By the end of the 2006, our brand wasn’t very strong and it was on the brink of being a second tier program. I really believe that. It took the best coach in football to drag us out of that.
So our wilderness was better than most but that’s because I think our floor is higher than most.
I think we spent 25 years leaning too hard on tradition and the mentality that we were going to be good just because we were Alabama. We got passed by a lot of programs and had a revolving door of coaches. By the end of the 2006, our brand wasn’t very strong and it was on the brink of being a second tier program. I really believe that. It took the best coach in football to drag us out of that.
So our wilderness was better than most but that’s because I think our floor is higher than most.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:44 am to FairhopeTider
My hope (and I think that this is the case) is that people still vividly remember 1997-2006 and completely understand the difference between the best (Saban) and some guy (everyone else). We are rich, we spent tons of money on Avery and we have very competent leadership at the University and specifically in the Athletic Department.
I have no doubt that when the time comes that we will do whatever it takes to hire the person we think is the best fit to continue our success. Money, incentives, structure, etc will not be done on the cheap. Somebody will have to really just not want to leave their current job/not want to be in our pressure cooker to say no. They won't say no for anything we withheld.
I have no doubt that when the time comes that we will do whatever it takes to hire the person we think is the best fit to continue our success. Money, incentives, structure, etc will not be done on the cheap. Somebody will have to really just not want to leave their current job/not want to be in our pressure cooker to say no. They won't say no for anything we withheld.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:46 am to FairhopeTider
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Take his name off the resume and it’s a no brainer.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:48 am to FairhopeTider
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. By the end of the 2006, our brand wasn’t very strong and it was on the brink of being a second tier program. I really believe that. It took the best coach in football to drag us out of that.
So our wilderness was better than most but that’s because I think our floor is higher than most.
I don't disagree here at all, we were certainly lost in the wilderness between Stallings and Saban. It is really hard to overstate the damage Mike Dubose did to the program through both the product he put on the field and the things he allowed off it that eventually led to the crippling probation.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I have no doubt that when the time comes that we will do whatever it takes to hire the person we think is the best fit to continue our success. Money, incentives, structure, etc will not be done on the cheap. Somebody will have to really just not want to leave their current job/not want to be in our pressure cooker to say no. They won't say no for anything we withheld.
Never underestimate the stupidity of our admin. and boosters.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:40 pm to JustGetItRight
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It is really hard to overstate the damage Mike Dubose did to the program
If I could go back in time, I'd tell Bockrath to get rid of that damn fax machine. Stallings was probably a year or two away from needing to go anyway, but DuBose had no business being the head coach.
The similarities between the DuBose & Orgeron hirings are pretty remarkable.
- Popular position coaches with little or no coordinator experience.
- Had support of current players
- Stated that coaching at the school was a dream job
- Hired mainly because they were "one of us"
- On staff before hired
- Replaced head coaches who won a National Championship but were accused of letting the program get passed and not having effective offenses.
- Hired by weak Athletic Directors who were making rash decisions based on short term circumstances.
- Made lofty promises about having a dynamic offense
- Demonstrated lackluster coaching performances shortly before getting offered the job (DuBose: 1996 SEC Championship, Orgeron: 2016 Florida)
- Speak with heavy accents distinctive of their particular region.
- Heavy use of cliches and coachspeak
- Lost to Mississippi State in their first season
- Lost to a lower tier program in their first season. Oddly enough, DuBose lost to a team from Louisiana (La Tech) and Orgeron lost to a team from Alabama (Troy).
- Both pleaded ignorance to playcalling after a critical play that lead to a turnover in a loss.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:53 pm to FairhopeTider
Oh man the upcoming Eaux sexcipade and "God's plan" press conference should be awesome.
Wait, does this mean LSU is going to win the SEC title in 2019?
Wait, does this mean LSU is going to win the SEC title in 2019?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Wait, does this mean LSU is going to win the SEC title in 2019?
Only if Shaun Alexander has a kid they're about to sign.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:56 pm to _Hurricane_
It's almost too perfect how things are shaping up for him to be the guy when Saban retires. Almost like it's too good to be true. You hope it all pans out, but kind of wonder what will happen between now and then. I figure Saban has got at least another 5 years in him barring any unexpected personal issues or even more unlikely, a huge decline success on the field. Same goes for Dabo at Clemson.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 2:43 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:This POS should've NEVER been hired to begin with!! Like you said
Bockrath
quote:, Coach Stallings was probably 2-3 years away from stepping aside, but Bockrath and Sorenson demanded an answer right then and pushed Stallings into retirement.
FairhopeTider
The similarities between DuBose and Orgeron are eerily similar and damn near identical!! I thought about the DuBose hire last year when Alleva announced Orgeron as the HC. I laughed my arse off too!!!
Posted on 10/13/17 at 4:30 pm to _Hurricane_
You know Dabo will get the first call and hopefully the only call. I wouldn't bet on it but there may have already been some feelers put out already. With that said, you can't blame him if he says no.
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 5:17 am
Posted on 10/13/17 at 5:07 pm to _Hurricane_
i like Dabo but not a fan of him being at Bama. I have had this opinion long before he won the Natty by beating bama
Posted on 10/13/17 at 5:18 pm to sunseeker
Ya, I see it being an incredibly tough decision for Dabo.
Do you stay at the program that you built from the ground up in to a perennial championship contender (assuming he keeps doing this), or do you take the chance to coach your alma matter that is the best program in the country...but following in rather big footsteps.
Do you stay at the program that you built from the ground up in to a perennial championship contender (assuming he keeps doing this), or do you take the chance to coach your alma matter that is the best program in the country...but following in rather big footsteps.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 5:20 pm to mrbroker
I don't get the doubt around Dabo. He is the only coach in America I support adopting a culture around. Great recruiter, develops talent well, and a great guy. I don't see him wanting to go from the best coach in Clemson history to at best getting another statue of him at Alabama.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 7:52 pm to KareemAbdul
That's my concern, if he manages to stay on or near the top at Clemson, is that he has fallen in love with the Clemson students,fans,players and fellow coaches to leave after 15 or 20 years.Then again it IS Alabama and would be hard not to come home again.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:28 pm to CrimsonPlanet
This is what scares me about Dabo. He’s good for one of these absolute bed shittings like Syracuse every season.
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