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re: CRob and Hootie Jones arrested
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:24 am to Bamad
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:24 am to Bamad
These kids are addicted to weed that's how they roll and there is no consequence that will keep them away from the bond they have with their weed...back in the day it was a boy and his dog
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 11:27 am
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Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:27 am to Patton
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So you think there is a chance the cops planted the guns on them?
All I'm saying is that the media snippets aren't enough to condemn someone, especially given that police reports are not God's infallible word.
For example, I could say these words outloud: "I hate my black neighbor." Most, nearly all, would assume me to be racist. Well, what if he's a white guy with the last name Black, and he's a demonstrable a-hole? What if it's halloween, and my white neighbor dressed up in black-face, and I'm condemning his actions? What if I'm talking about an online argument on reddit with a guy with the username my_black_neighbor? What if my neighbor is black, but I hate him cause he's an a-hole, not because he's black? The point is, it seemed pretty cut and dry, but you didn't have all the info.
My point is, legally, this looks bad for Robinson and Jones. However, we, as poorly uninformed bystanders should not be making moral judgements or throwing out definitive sentences based off of a fraction of the info. And especially given the low bond and first-time offender status, these guys may be able to plead down and learn from their mistakes.
Just wait and have mercy in your heart.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:30 am to sarc
Charges will be lowered to a misdemeanor for a guilty plea. Its a petty drug crime and a weapons offense with no victim.
Will receive a suspended sentence and probation. Stupid yes ,prison no.
Now whether they should and will stay on the team thats a different story.
Will receive a suspended sentence and probation. Stupid yes ,prison no.
Now whether they should and will stay on the team thats a different story.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:31 am to prevatt33
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And especially given the low bond and first-time offender status, these guys may be able to plead down and learn from their mistakes.
Except this does not have anything to do with their actions. That is about whether their punishment is reduced.
There are only a couple of options here
(A) Hootie and Cam were smoking weed in a car at 2 AM with 2 guns in the car (noted to be illegal, but that could be changed in the future I guess)
(B) The police officer made up the entire story
Like, there is no middle ground for 90% of this story. They were caught red handed. Unless the officer is lying about the guns, lying about the weed or planted either thing then the majority of this story is set in stone. And it is not good.
Could it be that the gun isn't stolen? Sure - that would help their legal case. Either way, they made really bad decisions and my "moral judgments" stand. I want them to figure it out and bounce back, but I don't think that, short of this all being a massive police cover up, they should be doing it at Alabama.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Like, there is no middle ground for 90% of this story.
I fundamentally disagree with your entire world view.
However, I can agree to disagree. Take care, and Roll Tide.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:35 am to prevatt33
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I fundamentally disagree with your entire world view.
Honest question - what parts of the story do you believe are up for interpretation/clarification?
- The weed existing in the car with the players?
- The guns existing in the car with the players?
- The use of either by the players?
- The guns being stolen?
I'm not being snarky, I'm honestly asking.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 11:36 am
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:37 am to SummerOfGeorge
Suttles tweet:
Nick Saban statement: “We are aware of the situation involving Hootie Jones and Cam Robinson and are in the process of gathering facts to determine what internal action needs to be taken.”
Nick Saban statement: “We are aware of the situation involving Hootie Jones and Cam Robinson and are in the process of gathering facts to determine what internal action needs to be taken.”
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:37 am to sarc
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Suttles tweet: Nick Saban statement: “We are aware of the situation involving Hootie Jones and Cam Robinson and are in the process of gathering facts to determine what internal action needs to be taken.”
Reasonable at this juncture
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
The only thing that would change my opinion of this situation, is if their undercover names are Crockett and Tubbs 
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:48 am to SAINTS0321
Weed is about to be legal in all 50 states, too much money involved.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:49 am to prevatt33
Scolds entire board about jumping to conclusions, and making moral judgments about people then proceeds to say:
Look man, we get it, you recently binge-watched all of Making a Murderer and spent all night on Reddit reading the unreleased "evidence".
At the end of the day these two guys were in a car smoking weed (illegal, regardless of your opinion on the matter) with what appears to be illegal firearms. Not a good situation.
I agree that all information needs to come in before any consequences are doled out by the University or the athletic department, but this isn't a good situation.
Honest question, if these two guys weren't well known Alabama football players would you be doing the same intellectual gymnastics to find a situation in which their decisions were justifiable?
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And it should be especially forward in everyone's minds given the amount of police corruption and the average quality of human that goes into police work.
Look man, we get it, you recently binge-watched all of Making a Murderer and spent all night on Reddit reading the unreleased "evidence".
At the end of the day these two guys were in a car smoking weed (illegal, regardless of your opinion on the matter) with what appears to be illegal firearms. Not a good situation.
I agree that all information needs to come in before any consequences are doled out by the University or the athletic department, but this isn't a good situation.
Honest question, if these two guys weren't well known Alabama football players would you be doing the same intellectual gymnastics to find a situation in which their decisions were justifiable?
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
Honestly, those things can all be true and it still not be some horrible scenario.
The weed part is of no consequence if they were not selling it. They may as well been eating skittles. It's a misdemeanor, and it's a low one if it's a first offense.
Similarly, a giant portion of your countrymen believe weed should not be illegal - as a moral compass on the issue.
Most people I know who possess guns, legally or illegally, do it for protection. One of my students, a well-to-do French businessman, drives to the beach with his family with an unregistered glock 9 in the door. Is it illegal? Yep. Is it morally wrong? Not in my book. (I live in Central America)
Possession of a weapon does not indicate intent to commit an offense, nor does it warrant a moral assumption to that end.
Regarding whether the gun was stolen, it is incredibly difficult to prove the owner knew it was stolen. Additionally, given the nature of buying used goods in the world today, Craigslist, buying from friends, acquaintances, etc, it is entirely possible to purchase a gun for protection that was previously stolen by folks you did not know. It happens every day. Could be a pistol, could be a radio, could be a stroller.
There is no evidence that either player used the guns.
Simply put, there's a mountain of wiggle room, depending on the specifics of the case, and despite the flaws in the US justice system, it tends to take it easy on first-time offender university students in good academic standing in criminal situations where they were not trying to hurt anybody.
The weed part is of no consequence if they were not selling it. They may as well been eating skittles. It's a misdemeanor, and it's a low one if it's a first offense.
Similarly, a giant portion of your countrymen believe weed should not be illegal - as a moral compass on the issue.
Most people I know who possess guns, legally or illegally, do it for protection. One of my students, a well-to-do French businessman, drives to the beach with his family with an unregistered glock 9 in the door. Is it illegal? Yep. Is it morally wrong? Not in my book. (I live in Central America)
Possession of a weapon does not indicate intent to commit an offense, nor does it warrant a moral assumption to that end.
Regarding whether the gun was stolen, it is incredibly difficult to prove the owner knew it was stolen. Additionally, given the nature of buying used goods in the world today, Craigslist, buying from friends, acquaintances, etc, it is entirely possible to purchase a gun for protection that was previously stolen by folks you did not know. It happens every day. Could be a pistol, could be a radio, could be a stroller.
There is no evidence that either player used the guns.
Simply put, there's a mountain of wiggle room, depending on the specifics of the case, and despite the flaws in the US justice system, it tends to take it easy on first-time offender university students in good academic standing in criminal situations where they were not trying to hurt anybody.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:58 am to prevatt33
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Honestly, those things can all be true and it still not be some horrible scenario.
They would be a felony.
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Most people I know who possess guns, legally or illegally, do it for protection. One of my students, a well-to-do French businessman, drives to the beach with his family with an unregistered glock 9 in the door. Is it illegal? Yep. Is it morally wrong? Not in my book. (I live in Central America)
They live in Tuscaloosa and Monroe, not Panama. Also, unregistered is much different than stolen. Having an unregistered gun is not a felony. Having a stolen gun is a felony. Is it a technicality in some cases? Maybe, but it's the law.
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Regarding whether the gun was stolen, it is incredibly difficult to prove the owner knew it was stolen. Additionally, given the nature of buying used goods in the world today, Craigslist, buying from friends, acquaintances, etc, it is entirely possible to purchase a gun for protection that was previously stolen by folks you did not know. It happens every day. Could be a pistol, could be a radio, could be a stroller.
It doesn't matter. Under the Louisiana law, if the gun was stolen they are in trouble. It literally does not matter whether they bought it from a drug dealer or from some suburban kid.
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There is no evidence that either player used the guns.
Again, that doesn't matter.
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Simply put, there's a mountain of wiggle room
Almost none of the items you raised are wiggle room. They are either reasons why it shouldn't be wrong or examples of other people doing the same thing.
Your original point was we shouldn't accept the facts that we know now. I asked why not and you really didn't give me anything that makes me rethink my initial thought process.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:59 am to VirgilCaine
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Honest question, if these two guys weren't well known Alabama football players would you be doing the same intellectual gymnastics to find a situation in which their decisions were justifiable?
Never seen Making a Murderer.
I come from a town in Alabama with a significant problem with police corruption, and has been that way for decades. I have been employed (in multple states) in ways that gave me extra privvy to cops actions, and I've witness enough deplorable illegal police behavior to justify my opinion of law enforcement.
Regarding the above quote, I wish every human would would similarly defend their fellow man, and I do not believe I have done any intellectual gymnastics. I have simply stated some what-if's given the lack of info from all parties involved.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:00 pm to prevatt33
I get all that, but it's pretty easy to call a serial number in to the local police to see if it is a stolen gun. Most people don't, and especially not when they're buying it from a friend or acquaintance, but there are very easy ways to avoid buying a stolen gun. The first of which is just to never buy a gun, but that's a different topic for a different day.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:01 pm to prevatt33
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I come from a town in Alabama with a significant problem with police corruption, and has been that way for decades.
Dothan?
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:02 pm to prevatt33
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Regarding the above quote, I wish every human would would similarly defend their fellow man
I defend my fellow man - I just also review data and make decisions based on the data at hand. If my decision only leads to what I believe, and not an action, my threshold for evidence is much lower. Right now that is where I am, and the evidence is overwhelming. I don't think "assuming mass corruption" is a very credible reason to change my current viewpoint on the situation.
That's all.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:03 pm to VirgilCaine
I'm worried about our other boys tweeting about this. I wish the coaches would tell the rest of the team to stay off twitter for a while.
Tim Williams, also from Louisiana.
Ronnie Harrison
Cam Sims
Damien Harris
Tim Williams, also from Louisiana.
Ronnie Harrison
Cam Sims
Damien Harris
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:03 pm to Teague
The dumb thing is its not hard to buy a gun legally, you can get a decent one for like 300 bucks, 50 bucks for a permit, you are good
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:04 pm to jatebe
Yea - those kids are hurt, their buddies may have just ruined their lives. A lot of them have bad impressions of the justice system (a lot of it rightfully so) and so these two things kind of combine to create emotional anger that is manifested through tweets.
I'm sure by lunch it will be toned down/turned off.
I'm sure by lunch it will be toned down/turned off.
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