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re: Coaching lost this one

Posted on 10/4/14 at 9:47 pm to
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 9:47 pm to
Bobby Williams again shows what little value he adds to the staff. He can't recruit. Our TEs are soft with stone hands. Our special teams is terrible except for JK Scott.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20829 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 9:49 pm to
Agree about Williams. The kickoff returns are killing us and we have done NOTHING to correct it. He is another person that is stealing money.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 9:51 pm to
You would think there is a retired NFL kicker out there somewhere who wants to get into coaching.

I've never understood how Saban sees a weakness and tries to fix it in everything except special teams.

We aren't even recruiting a kicker this year
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
6925 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 11:48 am to
quote:

You will never see Foster play a significant down at UA unless it's against UA. He is gone after this year.




Care to elaborate?
Posted by BamaDude06
GOATville20
Member since Jan 2007
3475 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

You would think there is a retired NFL kicker out there somewhere who wants to get into coaching.


Because with the NCAA limit on assistants no one is going to "waste" one on that, because they would have to coach another position too. The Power Five conferences need to push to be able to hire more assistants.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 12:48 pm to
I think we should push for more assistants, but we also need to make better use of the number we get. (Looking at you, Bobby.) Bobby is not an expert at TEs, recruiting, or special teams. What exactly does he get paid to do?
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

We looked like a team that expected to lose at the end of the game.
Damn right. Just like the Iron Bowl. 0-3 against the last ranked teams we've played. It's disgusting with the talent on that damn sideline. This season could potentially get ugly. We'll see how the guys respond.
Posted by CtrlAltimerDelete
Birmingham area
Member since Mar 2014
639 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:12 pm to
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:19 pm to
quote:

Miss me yet?


Yes. On that last drive I missed having AJ. I let my mind rewind to the infamous screen pass which just might be my favorite play of the CNS era.

Even more than that I missed Norwood. We don't have a Norwood type who is dependable and doesn't elicit double/triple teams. Coop is dependable, but elite defenses know to blanket him with dbs.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:37 pm to
quote:

Care to elaborate?


Some talk on the Pitt247 board that Robert Foster is transferring at the end of this season barring any moves up the depth chart. He is tired of waiting in line. One of his close friends just committed to Pitt last week. It seems there is writing on the wall.

Frankly, if I saw that Christion fricking Jones was in front of me and doesn't play like he deserves to be a starter, I'd be pissed too.
Posted by CtrlAltimerDelete
Birmingham area
Member since Mar 2014
639 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:13 am to
quote:

Some talk on the Pitt247 board that Robert Foster is transferring at the end of this season barring any moves up the depth chart. He is tired of waiting in line. One of his close friends just committed to Pitt last week. It seems there is writing on the wall.

Frankly, if I saw that Christion fricking Jones was in front of me and doesn't play like he deserves to be a starter, I'd be pissed too.



Oh boy, does that writing on the wall say anything about the reasons why Robert Foster can't crack the starting lineup? Does the writing say anything about how this isn't the DuBose era and you don't get to play on Saturdays if you can't practice well, or in Shaun Alexander's case, at all? Maybe Foster doesn't feel he really has to give it a 100% because, hey, he is Robert Foster.

I haven't seen any of the writing yet and I haven't seen the "some talk" either but, if Foster needs to leave because he feels that he is being cheated, then he needs to leave.

Maybe if Foster is a superb and talented force who is just being held back by evil politics and coaches who dislike him because of who he is, he will do better somewhere else.

Saban is known for not putting good players on the field. Saban's history is to always put the worst player on the field just to prove to the much more talented players, sitting on the bench, that he is boss. It's a mind game he plays with them to prove to them that short people are powerful.

Since Saban has arrived, the best player at any position has actually never been the starter. Just imagine if he would simply allow the best players to play? Alabama would be better than even a team like Alabama over the last six or seven years.

Good luck to Foster and may he find a program that won't treat him unfairly and will finally allow him to play.

This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 12:20 am
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26994 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:44 am to
CtrlAltimerDelete
Alabama Fan
Birmingham area
Member since Mar 2014
16 posts

Posted by CtrlAltimerDelete
Birmingham area
Member since Mar 2014
639 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:10 am to
quote:

CtrlAltimerDelete
Alabama Fan
Birmingham area
Member since Mar 2014
16 posts







I concede that I am not as football intelligent as you, GradinTn, nor am I as dedicated of an Alabama fan because you have more posts on this particular message board on an LSU site.

Post count is very important in determining the worthiness of any human being. I'd say it's just as important as Facebook friends in determining how many friends you have in real life. In other words, post count is a very serious and important thing and only people with a certain gravitas grasp that concept, and you are clearly one of those people, Tn.
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 7:58 am to
You have to admit that there seems to be a double standard with christion jones vs how someone like kenyan Drake was treated. Drake could fumble on a play that is not his fault (the strip from behind in UF comes to mind) and have to sit on the bench for awhile while Jones has a costly fumble and gets to trot out there the next series.
Posted by UAFanFromNOLA
NOLA
Member since Dec 2011
4882 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:21 am to
I don't think there is any doubt. I have been completely disappointed with Christion Jones this year. He has turned the ball over at bad times and has been inconsistent as a receiver. I really wouldn't mind letting a younger guy play over him or at the very least get a shot.

ETA: I know someone will say his downfield blocking has been outstanding which may be true, but I feel like his play overall does not warrant the playing time he gets.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 8:23 am
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:40 am to
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chattabama: You have to admit that there seems to be a double standard with christion jones vs how someone like kenyan Drake was treated. Drake could fumble on a play that is not his fault (the strip from behind in UF comes to mind) and have to sit on the bench for awhile while Jones has a costly fumble and gets to trot out there the next series.

While I see your point, I don't think Jones was back to receive the following kick-off...while Jones has been a good returner in the past, especially last year, he's always scared me as a returner, moreso on punt returns though, at least until this past Saturday...

As for Drake, I think your dead-on, but it stood out more to me against UF...Drake catches the 80+ yard TD pass on our first play but then fumbles it away on the next series...don't think he saw any significant playing time after that till later in the 2nd half. DeAndrew White fumbles it away for a UF TD in our next series but didn't miss any time. I'm guessing Drake's history is workin' against him...but I've always admired that he's stuck it out at Bama and not tried to transfer away...

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chattabama: Some talk on the Pitt247 board that Robert Foster is transferring at the end of this season barring any moves up the depth chart.

I've heard rumors like this as well, but I heard it'd be to West Virginia. It's curious to me though as to why he'd want to transfer at this point. He's already burned a redshirt so if he transfers, he'll have to sit a year and then will only have 2 years of eligibility left...if I was tired of waiting, I wouldn't want to sit a year. With all of Bama's starting receivers (Coop, White, & Jones) leaving after this year, I'm thinking he'll have ample opportunities for playing time next year...

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CtrlAltimerDelete: Good luck to Foster and may he find a program that won't treat him unfairly and will finally allow him to play.

Unless you're a coach/player or have some kind of inside info from such, don't know how you'd know that he was treated unfairly. One thing I do know is that if any coach allows players to dictate playing time, he's not gonna be coaching very long...
Posted by chattabama
12essee
Member since Jun 2012
19315 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:50 am to
quote:

While I see your point, I don't think Jones was back to receive the following kick-off...while Jones has been a good returner in the past, especially last year, he's always scared me as a returner, moreso on punt returns though, at least until this past Saturday.


A fumble is a fumble. If Drake fumbled because he was being a wideout, he doesn't get to be a running back the next play.

quote:

As for Drake, I think your dead-on, but it stood out more to me against UF...Drake catches the 80+ yard TD pass on our first play but then fumbles it away on the next series...don't think he saw any significant playing time after that till later in the 2nd half. DeAndrew White fumbles it away for a UF TD in our next series but didn't miss any time. I'm guessing Drake's history is workin' against him...but I've always admired that he's stuck it out at Bama and not tried to transfer away...


I just think it should be uniform. Hell, Jones fumbled earlier in the OM game, but the refs bailed us out on that one. Why didn't that cost him the next return? I've seen where the ball has come out when Drake was on the ground and he was pulled.

It just seems that the guys with more seniority can screw up without any consequences. That breeds complacency. It's not like CJ is a "can't miss" prospect on the field. He drops easy passes, is a lazy route runner, but a good blocker. His blocking shouldn't cancel out his other shortcomings.
Posted by Recruitingjunkie
Member since Jan 2014
3059 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:17 am to
Being ArDarius Stewart in for chris jones and bring chris black/robert Foster in for white until he gets completely healthy. It's abosluetely ridiculous that he would play an injured player over someone drooling to get in the game just as capable. Only way to get a guy to where he needs to be is experience. Can't get any the way saban is playing personel
Posted by CtrlAltimerDelete
Birmingham area
Member since Mar 2014
639 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:19 pm to
quote:

Being ArDarius Stewart in for chris jones and bring chris black/robert Foster in for white until he gets completely healthy. It's abosluetely ridiculous that he would play an injured player over someone drooling to get in the game just as capable. Only way to get a guy to where he needs to be is experience. Can't get any the way saban is playing personel



I agree, Junkie. Let's face it, most of us here are probably more intelligent than Saban, and frankly, younger. Saban has lost a step and doesn't know when to play which players.

We just chose not to go into the football business because we are smarter than people like Saban and didn't lower ourselves to being some stupid jock the rest of our lives.

Also, Saban doesn't have the advantage that we all have of being able to have a more complete overview of the team by reading stuff on Yahoo and ESPN and following the recruiting services. He always has to chase players to make sure they do right, coach them, and attend to administrative matters.

He really doesn't understand the team like posters on Alabama message boards do and can't always, very rarely actually, see what we see and understand what we understand about how to win games and who to play in games.

I mean, it doesn't really matter about team chemistry or any of that jazz or if a player is required to do what every other player does to get on the field, if he is a good player just play him.

Doing your part in practice is for chumps. Keeping your grades up, having the right attitude and doing what you are asked when you are asked, being on time for meetings, etc... are all aniquated rules and regulations best left in the 1950's era of football. It's all about winning nowadays.

Saban is old. He doesn't understand how to make a team flow as one unit like we do. He has too many outdated ideas. We know who to play and when to play them; why doesn't he listen to us? He could read this board or Facebook or Twitter to learn how to better put Alabama in a position to win?
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 10:56 pm
Posted by ThaKaptin
The Sultan of Swag
Member since Nov 2010
21741 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:11 am to
quote:

"So-called"

You do realize that OJ IS the most *talented* TE in CFB and LC is the best Safety in CFB, right?

Guys have off days.



You are normally full of homerisms but this is dead on.

Landon Collins is having to play safety net because we are getting terrible play from the rest of our secondary. He is spread so thin that its actually fairly easy to exploit him at this point if you game plan around it. I would bet that the percentage of the field that he has been responsible for this year is probably the size of 3 normal player's zones. On one hand it is WHY he has been such a ball hawk in some of our games so far, and on the OTHER hand its why he has been burned in some others. We HAVE to get better play from the guys around him so he can focus on his job and not everyone elses too.
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