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Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:16 pm to 11and18gggchamp
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:16 pm to 11and18gggchamp
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My disgust is with how the college game has gone straight money. Starters and Captains leaving to simply look for money. No desire to stay with the team you signed with. It's a sad state for college football. Not sure why this bothered you enough to come at me about what Bama does. They use the same system. I was critical of the system at this point.
I guess I'm more sensitive to the players position out of experience.
The reality is the coaches are making millions, the institutions are making millions, the conferences, networks, etc..
The players didn't do this. People have just been happy to see everyone get a cut of the pie except them.
Coaches leave when they want but get mad when players follow the example THEY set.
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:26 pm to YStar
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I guess I'm more sensitive to the players position out of experience.
The reality is the coaches are making millions, the institutions are making millions, the conferences, networks, etc..
The players didn't do this. People have just been happy to see everyone get a cut of the pie except them.
Coaches leave when they want but get mad when players follow the example THEY set.
I don't have an issue with these dudes making money. They have earned it based on the things you mentioned above regarding conferences, schools and coaches getting paid.
However, the NFL has a collective bargaining agreement that prevents universal free agency, sets a salary cap and allows parity.
This NIL system doesn't do that. We're looking at the end of college football as we know it unless something changes.
How would you handle it moving forward?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:36 pm to YStar
If the players think they are getting screwed they need to sit out with no coaching, free room and board, medical care and a college education and other benefits for three years and see how that works trying to go pro. They will be eligible to go pro after three years. Then they will realize what they were getting PAID.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:42 pm to Carlton
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:50 pm to Bama72
Just offer them a scholarship, or the cash equivalent. That would show you pretty quickly how much education is valued
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:28 pm to YStar
I can celebrate my team utilizing the current rules successfully and at the same time still not agree with those rules.
Players take NIL pay for play deals but there’s nothing to bind these kids to their “commitments”. In the NFL they have these things called contracts. You can’t just leave whenever you want for a better deal.
I don’t have a problem with NIL but the immediate transfer rule is turning NIL into a different monster. It’s chaos.
Players take NIL pay for play deals but there’s nothing to bind these kids to their “commitments”. In the NFL they have these things called contracts. You can’t just leave whenever you want for a better deal.
I don’t have a problem with NIL but the immediate transfer rule is turning NIL into a different monster. It’s chaos.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:04 pm to EGO3x
NIL isn’t the real issue.
Kids have been getting paid as recruits since WW2.
Instant eligibility transfers have created a one year contract situation that simply isn’t sustainable.
Kids have been getting paid as recruits since WW2.
Instant eligibility transfers have created a one year contract situation that simply isn’t sustainable.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:21 am to TideSaint
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How would you handle it moving forward?
I have no idea because they screwed everything up. At this point they have forced what the networks already wanted; a specific sub-division above FBS which now must be regulated.
All of this crap came because they didn't want to create a way to throw us more scraps from the beginning (which many supported stupidly) and went as far to have unbalanced ways to punish players when they got caught receiving benefits or cash.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:23 am to Bama72
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If the players think they are getting screwed they need to sit out with no coaching, free room and board, medical care and a college education and other benefits for three years and see how that works trying to go pro. They will be eligible to go pro after three years. Then they will realize what they were getting PAID.
This is moronic.
It's like telling the coaches they shouldn't be paid because they get great facilities, free food, services, vehicles and all kinds of other perks from the university.
It's this specific backward mentality that led to the NIL and free transfer movement.
When you can't adapt and you try to force against good change you allow a tidal wave to build and crush you
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:01 am to Crimson_Chaos
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That would show you pretty quickly how much education is valued
The whole system in regard to education has become a farce. These guys are recruited to play football and for the school to make money on them. If education was at the forefront the NCAA would require student athletes to meet the same education requirements to get into a school as a non-athlete, but they do not, and it is not even close with the sliding scale.
Football and basketball athletes are used to generate income so no issue they are receiving money for it but the manner they are is another question.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:02 am to YStar
LOL I expect nothing more from you. We can see how well this is working out. Have a great day
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:10 am to TideSaint
They said he likely isn't gonna be back with OK state but def coming back for 2024. Maybe they're wrong. I hadn't heard anything about the situation prior.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:12 am to Bama72
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LOL I expect nothing more from you. We can see how well this is working out. Have a great day
Let me know what he said that is incorrect. I do not see him saying the system is working nor do I think that, but we are here because the powers to be were greedy and assumed the day so many saw coming for years now was ignored by those same people making decisions that instead of addressing it when they had the power to do so ignored it.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:05 am to YStar
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This is moronic.
It's like telling the coaches they shouldn't be paid because they get great facilities, free food, services, vehicles and all kinds of other perks from the university.
It's this specific backward mentality that led to the NIL and free transfer movement.
When you can't adapt and you try to force against good change you allow a tidal wave to build and crush you
Speaking of moronic you are the one that's backwards. You think the coaches started out making millions of dollars a year. Most start out G.A.'s making nothing and work their way up to being successful. That's like saying if you want me to work at McDonald's I need to start out at 40 an hour because if wasn't for me you wouldn't have someone to work the drive thru.
These players have always and I mean always been paid under the table if they're good enough. Plus they get a free education worth a couple hundred thousand for 4 years. Something that most kids would do anything for not to have student loans. Free room and board ,free meals ,free clothing, free use of athletic training . Free tudoring with their academics. These kids are coddled to hell and back. I said 3 years ago this nil would ruin college football and it's slowly going that way. You can't let the media and ignorant people like you tell universities what to do but it's happening so in a few years when college football is run just like the NFL and people are fed up with the constant bull crap that's only getting worse and stop attending as many games and stop watching as many games then maybe all of you dumbasses saying it's not fair to a 18 year old kid that he's not making 100s of thousands of dollars before he ever proves how good he is will see how dumb this is becoming.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:13 am to TideSaint
The two biggest problems that are bad for college football are 1) turning the transfer portal into a revolving door to immediate eligibility to their next destination and 2) giving the OK for NIL without any guidelines! It has turned into a free for all and kids walking around shopping themselves out to the highest bidder and not even trying to hide it! Demanding 5k just to visit a school and the toothless NCAA now trying to go back and set guidelines. It’s too late for that and no way for them to enforce it!!
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:26 am to YStar
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Did you miss all the bellyaching from the rant to this thread about Ole Miss and Auburn spending big to buy players?
Do they have the same stance while we do the same thing? No. There are no comments about spending the most, player loyalty, etc..
You can pretend this isn't happening or doesn't exist but it does. Then again you're probably perfectly fine with the mentality that when we do it, it is right and when others do it, it is wrong.
I love how simple observations about the open and obvious nature of using NIL to recruit is "venom" or "bellyaching" in your mind. Literally no one has said that when Alabama uses NIL to recruit it's OK but when Auburn does it it's wrong. People will certainly use getting outbid on NIL to rationalize how we lost a recruiting battle, but that's a totally different thing than applying a double standard. Your constant desperation to be some kind of martyr on everything related to NIL, transfers, etc. is pathetic.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:31 am to Bamadog75
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You think the coaches started out making millions of dollars a year. Most start out G.A.'s making nothing and work their way up to being successful.
Yes and these players have worked incredibly hard from young ages to get even an FCS school to offer then talk much the cream of the crop who have the best schools in the country desiring their signature.
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These players have always and I mean always been paid under the table if they're good enough. Plus they get a free education worth a couple hundred thousand for 4 years.
Not every player gets paid. Also the education isn't free, you're literally helping generate almost a hundred million if not more.
It's called capitalism and it's ironic people hate it when it doesn't benefit them and want things to be socialistic.
I repeat your method of thinking is moronic and outdated and it is why we are in this mess. Instead of getting ahead of an issue and creating a way to accommodate, you hold on to an outdated system. College football became a multi-billion industry yet you want everyone to benefit from the new money besides the actual product... the players.
Not gonna happen and if the people running the NCAA weren't absolute greedy idiots they would have formed a system which gave a structured compensation two decades ago when the money in the sport took off.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:33 am to Robot Santa
You can't grasp the concept of complaining about something when it doesn't work for you but never uttering a word when it does?
Not my problem. However stop trying to spin what I said.
Not my problem. However stop trying to spin what I said.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:04 am to YStar
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You can't grasp the concept of complaining about something when it doesn't work for you but never uttering a word when it does?
If someone complains about the current situation in CFB regarding NIL/transfer portal and says they think it should change in X, Y, and Z ways, those changes would apply to Alabama too. If rules are put in place to force that fat frick lumber salesman to go back to making payments under the table those rules would also apply to our boosters. You can't really believe that people who take issue with the portal are under the impression that we'd have still gotten guys like Gibbs, Burton, or Jamo under the old rules. This isn't difficult. Just because someone isn't saying whatever magic words you need them to say doesn't mean they are applying a double standard.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:08 am to Robot Santa
Again I repeat; we don't hear these complaints or theories of "everyone buying everyone" when we get the player(s).
All I have said is keep the same energy (consistency).
All I have said is keep the same energy (consistency).
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