re: Class of 2019 Recruiting MEGATHREAD: That's a Wrap Edition

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The whole idea of ethnic based colleges just seems problematic for me. It seems antithetical to what we’re trying to accomplish as a society in terms of equality and unity among all races. Frankly, not even sure how they’re legal. I’d imagine if a “white” college opened up, that thing would find itself in hot water, the courts, etc really quickly. 

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HBCUs were not setup because black people wanted to exclude ourselves. We weren't allowed into the universities so we had to create our own systems of education, George Wallace in the schoolhouse door and all that. We aren't making new HBCUs and Delaware State an HBCU is predominately white now. I'm not knocking you, but these institutions exist because of slavery and segregation.

I agree with Thibs in regards to that. If that is his main focus, Bama is likely not the best fit, but for athletic and professional success Bama would be the choice.

I sympathize with him, many black men face this in all professions. Stay in your community and possibly get less but me more connected, or leave and go somewhere where you have the opportunity to be more successful, but you are less connected to a community you care deeply about.

They do. As I said Delaware State is predominately white now. There is no anti-integration policy, white people can apply and get accepted. Many get minority scholarships . Most white people aren't interested in black colleges regardless of the name, and if knowing it was an HBCU turns you off that says more about you than the college. When you say hire more diverse staff one of the biggest problems in higher ed is that the professorship is extremely white. Eliminating jobs at HBCUs when there are way more white professors teaching there than black professors teaching at Predominately White Institutions (PWIs) would be going backwards. College is about access points and HBCUs are a historical access point for people of color. That is still the case as African Americans are way underrepresented at PWIs.

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They are all believing everything TigerVol or VolTiger (whatever the name is) posts as if it’s gospel. He said a week ago that Emery, Lee, and Palmer were “done deals”. Wouldn’t seem so.

It’s clear that every fan base has its own share of pretendsiders.

Actually white kids playing sports at HBCUs has become a lot more common than many would think. Again it serves as an access point most wouldn't think of. Plus way less black people are playing baseball, HBCUs need those white players.

HBCUs are starting to see more white students not only for athletics but overall. They need the integration to receive more funding both at the state and federal level. A pressing issue that many are facing across the board. Two of the larger HBCUs in the country are within an hour from where I live, not including there are 5 or 6 more smaller ones. As an educator at the university level I can continue to see the concern with enrollment declining at some and major budget issues. NC A & T and NCCU here seem to be doing well but others in the area are struggling.

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There is no anti-integration policy, white people can apply and get accepted. Many get minority scholarships. Most white people aren't interested in black colleges regardless of the name

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This. AL and MS schools did face a series of legal issues over segregation, which caused them to force to seek ways to diversify. This led to a host of minority scholarship opportunities for white students (specifically white Male students). MS schools' goal is to get to a 10% "non-black" population. But, it still has been a slow growth. Personally I think it is an excellent and underutilized opportunity.

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Are you saying there are more white professors at HBCU's colleges than black professors at non-HBCU's? That's interesting. What would you base that claim on?

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This is from the book, White faces in Black Places: HBCUs and the White Faculty Experience. Some of the statistics are 10 to 20 years old but the professorship does not change much.

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Unlike their counterparts at HWIs, HBCUs have never had restrictions of entry based on race. Though not often recognized, HBCUs are statistically ahead in providing a racially diverse faculty for their students. According to the US Department of Education in 1996, Whites made up 29% of the faculty population at HBCUs, African Americans accounted for 58% of full-time faculty and other minorities,and foreigners accounted for 13% (Johnson & Harvey, 2002). In fall 2001, African Americans comprised 60.4% of the faculty population at HBCUs, 26.2% were White, and 13.4% were labeled as other (NCES,2004). On the other hand, African Americans accounted for only 7% of the total college and university faculty in 2009. Hispanics accounted for 4%, 6% were Asian/Pacific Islander, and Whites made up 79% of the population (NCES, 2011). While the numbers at HBCUs do not depict a drastic difference over time, they do show a drastic difference in representation across HBCUs and HWIs.

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Generally speaking one of the problems with developing a more diverse professorship is that there are way more caucasian professors and because of tenure there is little turnover.

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Not disputing that at all. But again, curious as to what you base these claims on. African-Americans make up roughly 12-13% of the population in America. Even in Alabama that number is only 25%. How would that be compared to the student population? Perhaps it's a huge disparity? My point is true diversity is not 50/50...true diversity would reflect the population of the state and country. 

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Black students are drastically underrepresented at top public colleges, data show

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At most flagships, the African-American percentage of the student population is well below that of the state’s public high school graduates. Typical are the University of Delaware, with a student body that is 5 percent African-American in a state where 30 percent of public high school graduates are black, and the University of Georgia, where it’s 7 percent compared with 34 percent.

Flagships matter because they almost always have the highest graduation rates among public colleges in their state — especially for black students — as well as extensive career resources, well-placed alumni networks, a broad range of course selections and high-profile faculty. For state residents, these colleges also offer the most affordable top-quality college education, and usually a path toward better opportunities after college.

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UA has an approx 11% African American population and as you said the state population is 25%. We recruit a lot out of state now (mostly white full paying students), UA is actually more out of state than in state now. I think the in state number for AA students would be slightly higher but no where near 25%. I agree that it isn't necessarily a need to be one to one but the disparity is way off. I am spitballing here but generally speaking the difference in the AA population at the flagship college and the overall population is usually at least 10%.

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HBCUs are starting to see more white students not only for athletics but overall. They need the integration to receive more funding both at the state and federal level. A pressing issue that many are facing across the board. Two of the larger HBCUs in the country are within an hour from where I live, not including there are 5 or 6 more smaller ones. As an educator at the university level I can continue to see the concern with enrollment declining at some and major budget issues. NC A & T and NCCU here seem to be doing well but others in the area are struggling.

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You are 100% correct here.

holy delusion.

These guys need to commit, I'm ready to clean out the Commitment Timeline post. Deleting names is so satisfying.

Wow they sure are something over there