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Posted on 5/28/18 at 7:41 pm to TideSaint
I’ll clear it up, LSU fans recently pissed me off at the time, so I had decided to troll the board. I would have made new account but something is wrong with the sign up so I used this one.
Any information I bring to this board will not be bullshite and I’m sure the other insiders on this board will fact check my stuff like they already have with my recent post.
Any information I bring to this board will not be bullshite and I’m sure the other insiders on this board will fact check my stuff like they already have with my recent post.
Posted on 5/28/18 at 7:59 pm to TidalSurge1
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A few posts down, an LSU poster outed him as a Bama fan trolling their board.
You gotta read a little more first.
Well to be fair he didn't respond to that guy and until the 24th he had only 3 posts, none of which were about Alabama.
Posted on 5/28/18 at 8:14 pm to TideSaint
Yes bc I was posing as a LSU fan in order to troll. Look I understand why you’re skeptical but why would I bring correct inside intel on bama if I was a LSU fan dude?
Posted on 5/28/18 at 8:20 pm to TidalSurge1
Pretty sure if he was recruited at all in football he counts whether he plays or not if he is on the team on some other scholarship.
Posted on 5/28/18 at 9:06 pm to artompkins
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Wise (Md.) four-star wide receiver Isaiah Hazel is a top target for the Maryland staff and on Monday night, the 6-foot-1, 190-pound fluid athlete released his top seven. Alabama, Maryland, Michigan, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Virginia Tech and West Virginia made the cut.
Posted on 5/28/18 at 9:14 pm to artompkins
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Pretty sure if he was recruited at all in football he counts whether he plays or not if he is on the team on some other scholarship.
Nope. Here's the NCAA Bylaws section pertaining to that:
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15.5.6.3.7 Recruited Student-Athlete, Varsity Competition. [FBS/FCS] In accordance with Bylaw 15.5.1.2, a recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) receiving institutional financial aid certified as having been granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability becomes an initial counter in the first academic year in which the student-athlete competes on the varsity level. (See Bylaw 15.5.1.2.1.) (Revised: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
I'll post all the pertinent NCAA Bylaws for FBS football 25/85 recruiting and scholarship limits in my next post. I've learned one key thing over the years. They have to be read carefully.
For example, this section pertains to what's commonly called a blueshirt:
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15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
Bullovas and Brannon were blueshirts. There was room for them in 2017 under the 85 total counter limit, but not under the 25 initial counter limit. Once fall practice started, they could go on scholarships, and be counted against 2018's 25 IC spots. Bama was careful to avoid actions that would make them a Recruited Student-Athlete, as defined in the first section of the next post.
Jarez Parks had to greyshirt (delay getting a scholarship) due to no more room under the 85 total counter limit. Parks couldn't be a blueshirt in place of Brannon or Bullovas because Parks was already a Recruited Student-Athlete, which is defined in the first section of the next post. Like I said, these rules have to be read and studied pretty carefully.
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 5/28/18 at 9:14 pm to TidalSurge1
NCAA Bylaws
15.02.8 Recruited Student-Athlete. For purposes of Bylaw 15, a recruited student-athlete is a student-athlete who, as a prospective student-athlete: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Was provided an official visit to the institution’s campus;
(b) Had an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with a member of the institution’s coaching staff (including a coach’s arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians); or
(c) Was issued a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of athletically related financial aid by the institution for a regular academic term.
15.5.6 Football Limitations.
15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)
15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).
15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial aid to the student-athlete.(Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athlete’s first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received, if such aid is received during the fall term. However, such a student athlete who first receives athletically related financial aid in the second or third term of an academic year may be considered an initial counter during the academic year in which aid was first received or the next academic year. In either case, the student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/3/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.5 Midyear Replacement. [FBS/FCS] A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates during the previous academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who shall be counted against the initial limit either for the year in which the aid is awarded (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or for the following academic year, or by a student-athlete who was an initial counter in a previous academic year and is returning to the institution after time spent on active duty in the armed services or on an official religious mission. In bowl subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year to the maximum number of overall counters (85 total counters). In championship subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year that equals the maximum number of overall equivalencies or overall counters. (Revised: 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99, 6/8/99, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 8/2/05, 12/15/06, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 4/2/10, 1/15/11)
15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)
15.5.6.3.7 Recruited Student-Athlete, Varsity Competition. [FBS/FCS] In accordance with Bylaw 15.5.1.2, a recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) receiving institutional financial aid certified as having been granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability becomes an initial counter in the first academic year in which the student-athlete competes on the varsity level. (See Bylaw 15.5.1.2.1.) (Revised: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.8 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution.
15.5.6.3.9 Delayed Initial Counter Who Does Not Return to School. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who receives countable financial aid but whose status as an initial counter under this bylaw is delayed until the following academic year shall be counted against the initial limit the following academic year, regardless of whether the student-athlete reports for participation or attends the institution in that academic year.
15.5.6.4 Exceptions.
15.5.6.4.1 Voluntary Withdrawal. [FBS/FCS] An institution may replace a counter who voluntarily withdraws from the football team by providing the financial aid to another student who already has enrolled in the institution and is a member of the football squad. For this replacement to occur, the counter must withdraw prior to the first day of classes or before the first game of the season, whichever is earlier, and provide the institution with a signed statement releasing the institution from its obligation to provide institutional financial aid and verifying the voluntary nature of the withdrawal. The institution may immediately (beginning with the fall term) award the financial aid to a student-athlete who has been a member of the team for at least one academic year and has not previously received athletically related financial aid. A student-athlete who has not been a member of the team for at least one academic year may not receive the financial aid during the fall term, but may receive it in a following term (e.g., spring semester, winter quarter). (Revised: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
15.02.8 Recruited Student-Athlete. For purposes of Bylaw 15, a recruited student-athlete is a student-athlete who, as a prospective student-athlete: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Was provided an official visit to the institution’s campus;
(b) Had an arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with a member of the institution’s coaching staff (including a coach’s arranged, in-person, off-campus encounter with the prospective student-athlete or the prospective student-athlete’s parents, relatives or legal guardians); or
(c) Was issued a National Letter of Intent or a written offer of athletically related financial aid by the institution for a regular academic term.
15.5.6 Football Limitations.
15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)
15.5.6.3 Initial Counters—Football (Also see Bylaw 15.02.3.1).
15.5.6.3.1 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering in Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters in the fall term and receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) during the first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that year in football. Therefore, such aid shall not be awarded if the institution has reached its limit on the number of initial counters prior to the award of institutional financial aid to the student-athlete.(Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.3 Recruited Student-Athlete, Aid Received After First Year. [FBS/FCS] A recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) (including a student-athlete who was not a qualifier) who first receives athletically related financial aid after the student-athlete’s first academic year in residence shall be an initial counter for that academic year in which the aid is first received, if such aid is received during the fall term. However, such a student athlete who first receives athletically related financial aid in the second or third term of an academic year may be considered an initial counter during the academic year in which aid was first received or the next academic year. In either case, the student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/3/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.4 Nonrecruited Student-Athlete Receiving Institutional Financial Aid. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete not recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the institution who receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) after beginning football practice becomes a counter but need not be counted as an initial counter until the next academic year if the institution has reached its initial limit for the year in question. However, the student-athlete shall be considered in the total counter limit for the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.5 Midyear Replacement. [FBS/FCS] A counter who graduates at midyear or who graduates during the previous academic year (including summer) may be replaced by an initial counter, who shall be counted against the initial limit either for the year in which the aid is awarded (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or for the following academic year, or by a student-athlete who was an initial counter in a previous academic year and is returning to the institution after time spent on active duty in the armed services or on an official religious mission. In bowl subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year to the maximum number of overall counters (85 total counters). In championship subdivision football, an institution may use the midyear replacement exception only if it previously has provided financial aid during that academic year that equals the maximum number of overall equivalencies or overall counters. (Revised: 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99, 6/8/99, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 8/2/05, 12/15/06, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08, 4/2/10, 1/15/11)
15.5.6.3.6 Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation. (Adopted: 1/11/89, Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90)
15.5.6.3.7 Recruited Student-Athlete, Varsity Competition. [FBS/FCS] In accordance with Bylaw 15.5.1.2, a recruited student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8) receiving institutional financial aid certified as having been granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability becomes an initial counter in the first academic year in which the student-athlete competes on the varsity level. (See Bylaw 15.5.1.2.1.) (Revised: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
15.5.6.3.8 Returning Two-Year Transfer. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who previously was an initial counter and who transferred to a two-year college shall not be an initial counter upon return to the original institution.
15.5.6.3.9 Delayed Initial Counter Who Does Not Return to School. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who receives countable financial aid but whose status as an initial counter under this bylaw is delayed until the following academic year shall be counted against the initial limit the following academic year, regardless of whether the student-athlete reports for participation or attends the institution in that academic year.
15.5.6.4 Exceptions.
15.5.6.4.1 Voluntary Withdrawal. [FBS/FCS] An institution may replace a counter who voluntarily withdraws from the football team by providing the financial aid to another student who already has enrolled in the institution and is a member of the football squad. For this replacement to occur, the counter must withdraw prior to the first day of classes or before the first game of the season, whichever is earlier, and provide the institution with a signed statement releasing the institution from its obligation to provide institutional financial aid and verifying the voluntary nature of the withdrawal. The institution may immediately (beginning with the fall term) award the financial aid to a student-athlete who has been a member of the team for at least one academic year and has not previously received athletically related financial aid. A student-athlete who has not been a member of the team for at least one academic year may not receive the financial aid during the fall term, but may receive it in a following term (e.g., spring semester, winter quarter). (Revised: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05)
Posted on 5/28/18 at 9:23 pm to Bama3714
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I don't know, but he's pretty much spot on from what I've been hearing as well (although that's much more informative on Dent than anything Ive heard on him... I've only heard that we're trying to make a move for him). Our staff has gushed over Leal recently. He's considered right there with Alfano. If Alfano is #1 on the DL board, Leal is 1A. He seems to know what he's talking about.
I’ve talked to 2 other people saying exactly what you said on Dent, but one of best connections told me that something was going on between Dent and bama and wouldn’t elaborate. Which leads me to believe he wasn’t totally sure either. I will talk with him tomorrow and I’m sure he’ll tell me then.
Good news is: is Dent will visit soon.
This post was edited on 5/28/18 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 5/28/18 at 9:33 pm to Footballfan1234
LINK ]Alabama working to flip 5-star Florida State CB commit Akeem Dent (SEC Country, May 22)
This post was edited on 5/28/18 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 5/28/18 at 9:38 pm to Footballfan1234
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ve talked to 2 other people saying exactly what you said on Dent, but one of best connections told me that something was going on between Dent and bama and wouldn’t elaborate. Which leads me to believe he wasn’t totally sure either. I will talk with him tomorrow and I’m sure he’ll tell me then.
I've heard the situation is fluid
Posted on 5/28/18 at 9:47 pm to TideSaint
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Well to be fair he didn't respond to that guy and until the 24th he had only 3 posts, none of which were about Alabama.
True. And his post on the 24th doesn't prove he's a Bama fan either. But with what he posted today and on the 24th, it's pretty clear now that he's a Bama fan who was trolling LSU back in Oct.
Posted on 5/28/18 at 11:19 pm to Bama3714
Can y’all post the profile of who this Leal person is.
Posted on 5/28/18 at 11:48 pm to BIGJLAW
4-star DL DeMarvin Leal 6-6/280 (TX) hudl
The 1st post of this thread has lists of commits with 247 profile & hudl links.
The 2nd post has our Top Targets list (top 50) with 247 profile & hudl links. The title of that post is a link to 247's lists of Bama's "Top Target" and "High Choice" recruited prospects (top 100ish).
Starting in the 3rd post are lists by position of all recruits with Bama offers with 247 profile and hudl links.
The 1st post of this thread has lists of commits with 247 profile & hudl links.
The 2nd post has our Top Targets list (top 50) with 247 profile & hudl links. The title of that post is a link to 247's lists of Bama's "Top Target" and "High Choice" recruited prospects (top 100ish).
Starting in the 3rd post are lists by position of all recruits with Bama offers with 247 profile and hudl links.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 8:55 am
Posted on 5/28/18 at 11:57 pm to TidalSurge1
Thanks
Posted on 5/29/18 at 6:44 am to TidalSurge1
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Another impressive 2020 signal-caller, Bailey turned heads in less than ideal conditions at the Atlanta stop of the series for the second consecutive year. Despite windy and rainy weather, Bailey flashed his trademark arm strength and accuracy, especially on deep balls down the field. Tennessee, Alabama, Michigan and several others are heavily involved in Bailey’s recruitment.
Bailey is an absolute prodigy, and he seems to love Pruitt. Landing Ramel Keyton hopefully helps our chances with him.
I think we have a great shot at him and Gilbert in 2020
Posted on 5/29/18 at 7:15 am to Vols&Shaft83
Posting Tip: The Tennessee Football Recruiting thread is on the Tennessee Sports board. It's the one with orange trim. Posts about Tennessee FB recruiting belong there, not here. If you want to discuss Tennessee football recruiting with fans of other teams, the SEC Recruiting board is the appropriate place for that, not here. TIA.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 5/29/18 at 8:07 am to Bama3714
Uh yeah, I really do not want to see that.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:11 am to TidalSurge1
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Read the comments after the article and you'll see that Hank backed off on that. We now only have 26 Initial Counter spots available for 2019 signees. We had 28 as of NSD, because we had three unused IC spots from 2018. Since NSD, Musika and Hatcher have been added to the 2018 class, using two of those three previously unused 2018 IC spots. So, 26 is now the max.
It's possible we could sign the 26 max and then add 1-2 gray or blue shirts, no? Saban has pretty consistently done this in the past. That would get our class up to 27-28 and with such a talent rich class this cycle, it seems like a pretty logical thing to do. I expect it, honestly.
Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:13 am to Goombaw
LINK ]Five-star recruit locks in Alabama OV date (BamaOnLine-VIP)
5-star S/NB Daxton Hill 6-1/190 (OK) hudl
Hill's OV to UA is set for June 15-17. The nation's #1 safety and #13 player overall also visited UA with his parents A-Day weekend.
Hill currently has no other OVs scheduled and has indicated he may decide and commit this summer. Hill's top-6 also includes Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Ohio St, Michigan and Clemson.
Nakobe Dean, DeMarvin Leal and Marcus Banks also have OVs to UA set for the June 15-17.
5-star S/NB Daxton Hill 6-1/190 (OK) hudl
Hill's OV to UA is set for June 15-17. The nation's #1 safety and #13 player overall also visited UA with his parents A-Day weekend.
Hill currently has no other OVs scheduled and has indicated he may decide and commit this summer. Hill's top-6 also includes Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Ohio St, Michigan and Clemson.
Nakobe Dean, DeMarvin Leal and Marcus Banks also have OVs to UA set for the June 15-17.
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