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re: Class of 2015 Recruiting MEGATHREAD - Twilight Edition
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:29 am to chattabama
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:29 am to chattabama
You didn't have a life changing experience either. Those tend to change people in some way.
When you realize you have a problem and work toward fixing it, you can change in 6 months
Eta: e hole beat me to the idea
When you realize you have a problem and work toward fixing it, you can change in 6 months
Eta: e hole beat me to the idea
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Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:31 am to ehole
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have you had any felony arrests in the last 6 months? were kicked out of school and forced to juco it just to possibly continue your dream? if you've answered no to both these questions, then you might not be in a position to realize somebody may have been cajoled into changing.
I also wasn't considered a risk for UA to admit. We are supposed to believe that the university did their homework on Taylor when they neither spoke to the DA who has all the information on the domestic violence case nor spoke to the coach who had him on roster for two years and decided to kick him off the team.
Plus it sounds like we've been recruiting Taylor for awhile. I think it's easy to behave oneself when you are under the microscope for a short period of time. What happens when that microscope is lifted and he is back to being a normal college student? Will he revert back to old habits?
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:40 am to chattabama
Who said the microscope is going to be lifted? Him having to do volunteer work is an example of it not being lifted.
You're still melting about this and convincing yourself that he is going to be allowed the same freedoms as anyone else. You seem like a smart enough person to realize that Saban isn't just going to let this kid loose on campus to do whatever he wants whenever he wants.
You're still melting about this and convincing yourself that he is going to be allowed the same freedoms as anyone else. You seem like a smart enough person to realize that Saban isn't just going to let this kid loose on campus to do whatever he wants whenever he wants.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:44 am to chattabama
Don't need specifics on the case. We know what happened. It's deplorable.
He's a giant human who assaulted a woman. No excuse.
I think the hope is that maybe he came from a bad situation. Obviously there was a disconnect in societal behavior
Maybe he had anger issues. Who knows.
Here's the thing though, he's here now. This can go one of two ways. He could end up being a piece of shite, in which case he'll be gone and you can say "told ya so".
OR, he could turn his life around because of our infrastructure and become a better man, who doesn't beat women, because of us. And I think that's more likely. But either way, he's in now. It's done
He's a giant human who assaulted a woman. No excuse.
I think the hope is that maybe he came from a bad situation. Obviously there was a disconnect in societal behavior
Maybe he had anger issues. Who knows.
Here's the thing though, he's here now. This can go one of two ways. He could end up being a piece of shite, in which case he'll be gone and you can say "told ya so".
OR, he could turn his life around because of our infrastructure and become a better man, who doesn't beat women, because of us. And I think that's more likely. But either way, he's in now. It's done
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:44 am to Chadaristic
I'm not getting into a long debate about this as I've read numerous posts you've made on this topic and I know I won't change your opinion, nor do I care to.
If Saban didn't feel like he could rehab this kid, he wouldn't have taken him. Just my opinion.
If Saban didn't feel like he could rehab this kid, he wouldn't have taken him. Just my opinion.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:55 am to Chadaristic
What if Taylor ends up being an elite player for us?
What if he blocks two field goals in one game to help us win?
Everyone, including the butthurt ones, will be screaming at how much they love this guy.
When it comes down to it, all we care about is winning, and that's okay. Some of y'all need to come to terms with that.
What if he blocks two field goals in one game to help us win?
Everyone, including the butthurt ones, will be screaming at how much they love this guy.
When it comes down to it, all we care about is winning, and that's okay. Some of y'all need to come to terms with that.
This post was edited on 1/10/15 at 10:56 am
Posted on 1/10/15 at 10:58 am to Chadaristic
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Who said the microscope is going to be lifted? Him having to do volunteer work is an example of it not being lifted.
Are they really going to monitor every relationship he has with the opposite sex? And even if they do, most domestic abusers have their victims manipulated to the point that they are afraid to blow the whistle. A lot of them hide their scars well.
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You're still melting about this and convincing yourself that he is going to be allowed the same freedoms as anyone else. You seem like a smart enough person to realize that Saban isn't just going to let this kid loose on campus to do whatever he wants whenever he wants.
Again, how is CNS going to watch over every moment outside of practice, every interaction with a female, etc. It's impossible.
There is also a fundamental difference in beliefs between you and I on how abusers can be rehabilitated. You think that JUCO for six months is some sort of magical cure. I think that a guy doesn't just go from yelling at his SO to choking her. Domestic violence was probably something he did more than once, and the choking incident was the pinnacle of that habit. Old habits don't just die by ignoring them, and I don't think a ten week anger management course and volunteering is going to get the job done. In most cases dv is not about anger, but it is about control. This is witnessed by him choosing where to direct his anger. He didn't direct it at another teammate who could put up a fight. He directed it at someone half his size. Control issues are much more complex and take a much longer time frame to solve. If he had spent the past six months in a batterers intervention group, I'd be more inclined to support this decision. As it is, I still think it's irresponsible of the university to admit him so soon after the dv incident.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:12 am to chattabama
I'm with chatta. I mean I thought it was basic procedure to talk to any potential incoming transfer's former coach to get an idea about character, work ethic, etc... Maybe we talked to his Juco coach, but why not talk to both in order to get a comprehensive picture? Doesn't appear we were very thorough in this case for some reason.
ETA: I remember reading that CNS talked to Dooley about Aaron Douglas before bringing him in from juco
ETA: I remember reading that CNS talked to Dooley about Aaron Douglas before bringing him in from juco
This post was edited on 1/10/15 at 11:28 am
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:20 am to sarc
just watched D. Harris junior year highlights seems 2 have good vision n is a big play waiting 2 happen. hopefully Nick saban trust these young guys to play in big games. our best athletes r benchwarmers
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:28 am to 256bradley
Everybody loves the shiny new toy. Harris is a great back. Go watch high school film of Tyren Jones, Kenyan Drake, Derrick Henry, and Bo Scarbrough.
If you were to watch the tapes without knowing who was whom, I would probably rank them Drake, Jones, Scarbrough, Henry, Harris
That isn't a knock on Harris because they were all ridiculous in high school, I just think it's easy to forget when we get a commitment from a great player that most of the roster is full of great players. You can only play 11 at a time.
I don't expect Harris to play much on offense next year. He's stepping into our most loaded position.
'15- Henry, Drake, Jones
'16- Jones, Scarbrough, Harris
'17- Harris, Flowers, guy not on roster.
How I see the carries being divided up if everyone were to remain healthy. There will be carries had by guys not listed in backup time, but even our 3rd back has been used sparingly recently. Upchurch and Drake have been the only guys to touch the ball as our third back, and Drake was more of a 2B option than a third option.
If you were to watch the tapes without knowing who was whom, I would probably rank them Drake, Jones, Scarbrough, Henry, Harris
That isn't a knock on Harris because they were all ridiculous in high school, I just think it's easy to forget when we get a commitment from a great player that most of the roster is full of great players. You can only play 11 at a time.
I don't expect Harris to play much on offense next year. He's stepping into our most loaded position.
'15- Henry, Drake, Jones
'16- Jones, Scarbrough, Harris
'17- Harris, Flowers, guy not on roster.
How I see the carries being divided up if everyone were to remain healthy. There will be carries had by guys not listed in backup time, but even our 3rd back has been used sparingly recently. Upchurch and Drake have been the only guys to touch the ball as our third back, and Drake was more of a 2B option than a third option.
This post was edited on 1/10/15 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:34 am to 256bradley
I'm ok with any athletes getting fresh starts at whatever school will take them. at least 50-75% of the kids at most D1 schools are not your average law abiding citizens anyway. All coaches take chances on kids like this because it's the profession they live in; win in a year or two or be fired. I know Saban isn't worried about getting canned so he probably believes he can help the kid. I have no real skin in the game since I went to South and Cal but I am a lifelong fan of my dad's alma mater and I'm ok with it.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:37 am to Riseupfromtherubble
If I had to rank them on HS film. I understand kentucky football in general is a joke. But henry played jokes as well. Jones played the toughtest competition. Drake 2nd. Yeldon played the toughest imo and I would rank him first coming out but hes gone.
Based on film without judging who they're playing:
Henry
Harris
Jones
Drake
Knowing who their playing:
Henry
Jones
Drake
Harris
Henry would have done what he did just about to anyone besides like hoover and the power HS.
Stlye means a lot in our system and I think we were missing that back who would hit the hole balls to the wall this season along with lack of physicality. Harris brings light of mark Ingram back with better speed. Doubt he will stay on his feet as well as mark but he hits the hole just as hard and has better speed. Harris doesn't have quite the power of Ingram either but is a better outside runner. His ability to appear like he's going all the way to the sideline to cut up and then cut on a dime and jet up field in reverse angle is the best I've seen out of anyone since eddie Lacy.
Tenpenny's future looks bleak but he had decent film but probably the worst imo. He was a show case and sparq warrior. Does look good when he gets in the game I have to say though.
Based on film without judging who they're playing:
Henry
Harris
Jones
Drake
Knowing who their playing:
Henry
Jones
Drake
Harris
Henry would have done what he did just about to anyone besides like hoover and the power HS.
Stlye means a lot in our system and I think we were missing that back who would hit the hole balls to the wall this season along with lack of physicality. Harris brings light of mark Ingram back with better speed. Doubt he will stay on his feet as well as mark but he hits the hole just as hard and has better speed. Harris doesn't have quite the power of Ingram either but is a better outside runner. His ability to appear like he's going all the way to the sideline to cut up and then cut on a dime and jet up field in reverse angle is the best I've seen out of anyone since eddie Lacy.
Tenpenny's future looks bleak but he had decent film but probably the worst imo. He was a show case and sparq warrior. Does look good when he gets in the game I have to say though.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:42 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Yeah I would rate Harris' film behind Drake's senior film and Tyren's junior film, but none of it really matters anyway. Depth chart will largely be determined by knowledge of the playbook, ball security, pass protection, and work ethic in practice...basically earning the coaches' trust
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:44 am to Recruitingjunkie
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I think we were missing that back who would hit the hole balls to the wall this season along with lack of physicality.
We weren't missing him, we just preferred Yeldon and Henry. You just described #20
Staff liked Yeldon and Henry more than Jones, which is understandlable. I think they know Jones has enormous potential but they also understand that when you're handing it to Jones it means you're not handing it to Yeldon or Henry.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:54 am to chattabama
Harris will be a nice weapon for the next OC after Kiffin leaves in 2016.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 11:55 am to Riseupfromtherubble
We did a lot of stupid shite this year lol. I think we will be better when we get a QB who can read defenses without the coach telling him where to throw. Both games we lost we had drives that we ran nothing but to Cams side and scored and never did it again afterwards...
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:01 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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We weren't missing him, we just preferred Yeldon and Henry. You just described #20
Staff liked Yeldon and Henry more than Jones, which is understandlable. I think they know Jones has enormous potential but they also understand that when you're handing it to Jones it means you're not handing it to Yeldon or Henry.
Some rumors that Tyren Jones couldn't keep himself out of the dog house this year. It kind of reminds me of Drake's first couple of years.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:10 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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I think they know Jones has enormous potential but they also understand that when you're handing it to Jones it means you're not handing it to Yeldon or Henry.
I'd rather give it to Jones than either Yeldon or Henry.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 12:14 pm to pvilleguru
Quote from Johnathan Taylor's JUCO coach:
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“The thing that impressed me the most about Jonathan was being a great kid and doing the things that we asked him to do and not putting himself in any kind of situation that would hurt himself anymore than he did coming out of Georgia," said Taylor's JUCO coach Glenn Davis. “One thing that I will say is that Coach Richt was great helping with Jonathan. He said that he could put his name on that guy and he was adamant about helping John and what kind of kid he was and everything that he told me was exactly right. He is not a kid that goes out searching for the limelight. He is a soft-spoken kid and he did great in school. His instructors that I communicated with had nothing but good things to say about him.
Posted on 1/10/15 at 1:06 pm to TideSaint
I wish, to keep Harris somewhat happy, that they would let him return kickoffs. He couldn't be any worse than Jones this year.
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