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re: Can we all agree that this is a pivotal moment for Jalen?

Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
41320 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:56 pm to
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I have long pointed out that from 1973 on, Bryant always played two, when there was zero doubt about them. I continue to stand by that point. Someone always downvotes it...but no one ever refutes it...although one guy who probably wasn't even alive then said it sometimes bit Bryant in the butt...without offering a specific example from any game.


It seems like QB is sort of Saban's weakness. Aside from AJ, we have really haven't had consistency or great performers....just sort of cobbled it together: Wilson, GmAC, Sims, Coker, last years cluster frick where we wound up with Jalen and had three 5* guys leave......
Posted by Culverhouse13
Birmingham, AL
Member since Jul 2014
1406 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:56 pm to
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There goes our source. Now we're flying blind to the playoffs. Thanks a lot people.


Dude, I can't tell if you have an great sarcastic sense of humor, or if you're dead serious, but I love it
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
19575 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 1:58 pm to
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quote:There goes our source. Now we're flying blind to the playoffs. Thanks a lot people. Dude, I can't tell if you have an great sarcastic sense of humor, or if you're dead serious, but I love it


I can't even tell anymore.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
21704 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 2:02 pm to
CNS is wasting the most deadly wishbone backfield potential in the history of CFB...

Or, has he been saving it?
Posted by River_City_Tider
Javksonville
Member since Nov 2015
881 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 2:13 pm to
I just don't think all the vitriol is necessary. I have questions. I don't want my only inside source brow beaten into silence.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
19575 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 2:57 pm to
let me answer what I can

Boz, can you put a time frame on this "Tua is a liability in practice" issue? pretty much since game 1 practice, see below for more on that.

Was this true before or after the revelation about him playing in the playoff? before

Has this poor performance been evident since practice restarted?Not sure, throughout the season it was off and on Do you think his erratic practice performance means all plans to play him have now been scrapped?No, not at all.

What is your source telling you about the staffs interpretation of his struggles? He is a gunslinger, they make mistakes and great plays at the same time. Saban isn't that guy. He has to settle down. He he now considered a recruiting miss? no
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
3198 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:03 pm to
Minkah
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
3198 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 3:13 pm to
What do you mean by "Gunslinger"? Do you mean he makes stupid throws into triple/double coverage often a la Winston or that he throws it deeper more often into tight coverage? There's a difference between Brett Farve and Aaron Rodgers in terms of being labled a "Gunslinger".

I just haven't seen anything in limited play that suggests the former type. The only Farve-esque play that comes to mind is the Vandy TD throw, but at the same time that wide receiver was also wide open and a fantastic read/throw. I've seen plenty of throws where he tests tight windows in coverage(mostly sideline over the shoulder) and for the most part i'm fine with it because his placement/touch is superb.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 3:16 pm
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
19575 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:35 pm to
From what I’ve seen and heard he forces a play when there isn’t one. Tight window throws and gets picked. That’s basically the anti Saban, people can bitch he’s better all they want but that metric gets him on the bench.
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:35 pm to
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First off Huddie game time frustration and an actual exchange of words are two different things. Football is a competitive sport and yes they had no issues until the IB and I stand behind that.


I appreciate your insight but have you actually watched the games. Go back and look. There is a point or two in every game where Ridley looks at Hurts with a "WTF, bro? Are you blind?" expression.
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:49 pm to
He's had one turnover this year. I can't find his total number of plays, but I found that he threw the ball 53 times (15% for tds) and ran 15 times for a total of 68 plays, so 1 turnover per 68 plays.

Hurts last year(freshman year), he passed 382 times (many were actually long handoffs), and ran 191 times. He was intercepted 9 times, and fumbled nearly every game but we recovered all but 5, so 14 turnovers. That's 1 turnover per 40.9 plays.

Posted by ALtoID
Boise
Member since Nov 2017
267 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:54 pm to
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I just haven't seen anything in limited play that suggests the former type.


I mean, look back to the Mercer game.

One play he throws a pass across the middle that hits a Mercer linebacker in the hands. The next play, Mercer brings pressure up the middle and Tua throws one up for grabs off his back foot and gets Rob Foster decked. Two plays later he can't put a catchable ball on Najee out of the backfield. That's all one possession.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
19575 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:09 pm to
You’re bringing up game stats I’m telling you at practice I’ve physically watched he is throwing risky passes and being picked at times. That is a recipe for saban not playing you. It’s not hard to understand.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
19575 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:10 pm to
Game time frustration of looking at someone and then actually starting shite in the locker room are worlds apart.
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:17 pm to
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You’re bringing up game stats I


Yeah. I'm bringing up real live game stats. What's more important? Turnovers in real live games that we know is a fact, of in practices that may or may not be fact.
Posted by ALtoID
Boise
Member since Nov 2017
267 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:23 pm to
You're comparing stats of one QB who hasn't played a single snap against the 5 toughest defenses we've played all year to the stats of a QB who has played several of the country's top defenses. How is that a useful comparison?
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
19575 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:27 pm to
Huddle, I’m not arguing his stats or if he should play I’m telling you why he isn’t.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
82750 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:31 pm to
Boz what is your guy saying on Thompson?
Posted by River_City_Tider
Javksonville
Member since Nov 2015
881 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:54 pm to
I'll say again, I'll take Tua and a couple of INTs a game over Hurts and 120 yards a game.

This is getting ridiculous. Why do we even recruit real QBs if were always going to play the fake ones?
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:55 pm to
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You're comparing stats of one QB who hasn't played a single snap against the 5 toughest defenses we've played all year to the stats of a QB who has played several of the country's top defenses.


So live game stats are less reliable or pertinent than practice stats? Really?
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