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re: Cal Gov signs bill allowing Athletes to profit from their Image!
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:55 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:55 pm to The Spleen
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That wasn't the argument you initially made. You said most of the NCAA's revenue is generated by member schools, and that's not true. What the NCAA does with the revenue they generate is a different discussion.
No, I said that is the money the schools themselves make. The NCAA itself is not keeping billions of dollars every year.
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This is also false. On their 2017 Form 990, they have over $300 million invested in publicly traded securities, and another $200 million invested in other investments. That's over half a billion dollars they've accumulated over the years that didn't go to operating costs.
And who do you think benefits from it in the end?
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:59 pm to The Spleen
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Maybe you should educate yourself on what the NCAA actually is.
I assure you I understand what the NCAA actually is.
So you're saying that the University of Alabama is a corrupt organization? Because that's what the NCAA is. It is Alabama. And Auburn. And LSU. Etc, etc.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:01 pm to The Spleen
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Uh, because they are? They represent their member institutions,
They ARE the institutions.
You seem to think that it's some nebulous, semi-governmental agency. It isn't.
The president of the University of Alabama along with his/her peers control everything the NCAA does.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:03 pm to 3down10
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The NCAA itself is not keeping billions of dollars every year.
Of course not. Never said they were. They are generating billions in revenue, the bulk of that from the men's basketball tournament they run every year.
But in 2017, they did generate a little over $94 million in income that they retained.
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And who do you think benefits from it in the end?
Financially, just about everyone with their hand in the jar except for the athletes.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:06 pm to bamameister
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The state of California has currently a travel-band by state employees and their colleges to 8 states, including Alabama. I'm predicting that list to grow exponentially in the near future.
They can travel. The funds have to come from private sources. USC can still come to Tuscaloosa. Their expenses would have to be funded by their version of Tide Pride, which isn't funded by tax dollars.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:06 pm to The Spleen
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Financially, just about everyone with their hand in the jar except for the athletes.
So name some of these "everyone" who are being unfairly paid.
And I really get sick and tired of people acting like the athletes are being screwed over. It's total bullshite.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:08 pm to bamameister
Whether you like it or not - here is what will happen:
- The NCAA will challenge in federal court, and due to the interstate nature of commerce/civil rights issues (yes, likeness is civil rights), the case will go before the United States Supreme Court
- Like every other time the NCAA goes to the USSC to challenge an oppressive rule, it will lose. Their record at the highest court in the land is embarrassingly bad.
- The NCAA will scramble, and likely generate a "clearing house" where they will act as agents on behalf of the student athletes for "likeness" issues. Along the way, there will likely be a "cap" on endorsements, to prevent schools from basically having open season on free agency
People will bitch and moan about how collegiate sports is losing it's "purity," and use other generic words used glorify a system which, if it were any other profession, would be categorically illegal.
People will still go to football games, and complain about things like programs "copying them" about stadium lights and gift boxes to alumni.
It's a flat circle, time. Change is the only thing that is constant. Welcome to century 21.
- The NCAA will challenge in federal court, and due to the interstate nature of commerce/civil rights issues (yes, likeness is civil rights), the case will go before the United States Supreme Court
- Like every other time the NCAA goes to the USSC to challenge an oppressive rule, it will lose. Their record at the highest court in the land is embarrassingly bad.
- The NCAA will scramble, and likely generate a "clearing house" where they will act as agents on behalf of the student athletes for "likeness" issues. Along the way, there will likely be a "cap" on endorsements, to prevent schools from basically having open season on free agency
People will bitch and moan about how collegiate sports is losing it's "purity," and use other generic words used glorify a system which, if it were any other profession, would be categorically illegal.
People will still go to football games, and complain about things like programs "copying them" about stadium lights and gift boxes to alumni.
It's a flat circle, time. Change is the only thing that is constant. Welcome to century 21.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:08 pm to BamaGradinTn
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So you're saying that the University of Alabama is a corrupt organization?
Yes, I think they willingly participate in a corrupt game. They generate millions of dollars in revenue annually on the backs of student athletes under the guise of amateurism. While I do think outside of basketball and football, amateurism is legit in college athletics, I don't think that negates much when the bulk of that revenue is generated by those two sports. Nor do I think any of the fringe benefits student athletes receive negates that corruption either.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:16 pm to The Spleen
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So you're saying that the University of Alabama is a corrupt organization?
Yes, I think they willingly participate in a corrupt game. They generate millions of dollars in revenue annually on the backs of student athletes under the guise of amateurism. While I do think outside of basketball and football, amateurism is legit in college athletics, I don't think that negates much when the bulk of that revenue is generated by those two sports. Nor do I think any of the fringe benefits student athletes receive negates that corruption either.
You have to throw the federal government in. In your world view, with your perceived issue of universities making money off the backs of athletes, the only entity that prohibits the University of Alabama from paying Tua what he's worth from a legal standpoint is the US Government.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:18 pm to RolltidePA
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Long game; if they don't change, a legitimate minor or D league will eventually show up and kill college football as it is anyway. Adapt or die.
No, it won't. If it were profitable to start an NFL farm system, the NFL would've done it decades ago.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:25 pm to The Spleen
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Yes, I think they willingly participate in a corrupt game. They generate millions of dollars in revenue annually on the backs of student athletes under the guise of amateurism. While I do think outside of basketball and football, amateurism is legit in college athletics, I don't think that negates much when the bulk of that revenue is generated by those two sports. Nor do I think any of the fringe benefits student athletes receive negates that corruption either.
If the athletes are worth so much, then why do alternatives not exist?
Where is your great business model to create a league for them that will pay them the huge money they are worth.
It's the SCHOOLS that have made the markets for themselves, not the players.
Which is why every single league fails, they don't have the draw.
I hate liberals.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:27 pm to ATLabama
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Whether you like it or not - here is what will happen:
- The NCAA will challenge in federal court, and due to the interstate nature of commerce/civil rights issues (yes, likeness is civil rights), the case will go before the United States Supreme Court
- Like every other time the NCAA goes to the USSC to challenge an oppressive rule, it will lose. Their record at the highest court in the land is embarrassingly bad.
- The NCAA will scramble, and likely generate a "clearing house" where they will act as agents on behalf of the student athletes for "likeness" issues. Along the way, there will likely be a "cap" on endorsements, to prevent schools from basically having open season on free agency
People will bitch and moan about how collegiate sports is losing it's "purity," and use other generic words used glorify a system which, if it were any other profession, would be categorically illegal.
People will still go to football games, and complain about things like programs "copying them" about stadium lights and gift boxes to alumni.
It's a flat circle, time. Change is the only thing that is constant. Welcome to century 21.
This is like saying a business can't create a non-compete clause in a contract.
The supreme court will hold that shite up ALL DAY LONG.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:28 pm to BamaGradinTn
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You have to throw the federal government in. In your world view, with your perceived issue of universities making money off the backs of athletes, the only entity that prohibits the University of Alabama from paying Tua what he's worth from a legal standpoint is the US Government.
I don't disagree, and it's not something the IRS/Federal Government is likely ever to crack down.
And just FTR, I'm not advocating for players to be paid. That is a whole other ball of wax, and the Title IX issue makes it nearly impossible for the bulk of schools. I just don't have a problem with student athletes attempting to make some money off their likeness, especially given that schools make money off their likeness every year.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:35 pm to The Spleen
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corrupt game.
I still think the "secret witness" bullshite with Phil Fulmer was pretty damn corrupt, considering UT and the Mobile booster got away with paying for Tee Martin and we got busted.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:47 pm to 3down10
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If the athletes are worth so much, then why do alternatives not exist?
Where is your great business model to create a league for them that will pay them the huge money they are worth.
It's the SCHOOLS that have made the markets for themselves, not the players.
Which is why every single league fails, they don't have the draw.
I have no idea what you're talking about, or why you brought all this up in response to my comment.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:12 pm to The Spleen
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I have no idea what you're talking about, or why you brought all this up in response to my comment.
He is saying that the league is the brand and less so the player. People tune in to watch Alabama not some individual player.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:18 pm to PCRammer
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If Im Phil Knight Im telling every 5-star in the country if you're wearing a Ducks uniform I'll will put you in a Nike ad and that ad pays 100K per face.
I mean when the state of OR follows Cali like they always seem to do on everything.
And all the ADs in the other 49 states tell Phil Knight that their athletes have worn Nike for the last time.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:23 pm to 14&Counting
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He is saying that the league is the brand and less so the player. People tune in to watch Alabama not some individual player.
Yep. Tua is awesome and I love to watch him play.
But if he went to some other school or if he went to the CFL or whatever, I'm probably never going to watch him.
Yet some people seem to think Tua is making the school millions and millions of dollars.
I've watched many not very good QB's at Alabama over the years.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:24 pm to 3down10
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The supreme court will hold that shite up ALL DAY LONG.
They won't. They strike down non-compete/anti-competition legislature AlL dAy LoNg. It's why NDAs and NCs have industry limits.
This is about ability to profit off of image likeness - which, is inherently a constitutional right. The point of the American Jurisprudence system is to protect citizens from even being put into position of agreeing to unfair terms and conditions. It's why the US government has anti-trust laws. They do this all the time.
The NCAA never wins. They lost the TV case in the 80's. Title IX.
They aren't going to win. Bitch and moan about politics all you want, but this is a losing argument you're just going to get mad about.
I would suggest reading the pre-cursor to this case, "Ed O'Bannon v. the NCAA." The NCAA cannot compensate, but, much like every other amateur in the US, they can make money off their likeness.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:25 pm to 14&Counting
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He is saying that the league is the brand and less so the player. People tune in to watch Alabama not some individual player.
I don't think this is going anywhere, but if it does get any traction, look for the first move by the schools to be to take the players' names off the back. Najee wouldn't be entitled to squat from the sale of a #22 jersey.
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