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Bryce had a rough game Saturday Night

Posted on 10/26/22 at 9:44 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/26/22 at 9:44 am
I think the other thread rightly notes that it was pretty clear the shoulder was sore and effecting his accuracy, and that may have also effected decision making, but boy we missed some plays that could have totally changed drives/scoring in the 3rd quarter.

3rd Quarter, 13 mins left, 2nd and 7



In a 2nd a 7, Bryce clearly pre-determined he wanted to go to Jase on a steak down the right side against a safety. He was well covered, ball was overthrown, sets up 3rd and long.

As you can see (and like with most of these see better in motion), Earle broke off a quit 4 yard out and had the DB on his heels. That would have been an easy 4-6 yards and set up 3rd and short (or even a 1st down). This was just a choice instead of not throwing to an open man on a read, but it was looking for the big thing when it wasn't exactly guaranteed to be there instead of taking a small profit.


3rd Quarter, 13 mins left, 3rd and 7

Very next play



Brooks breaks off his route to the center of the field. The DB in zone is running full speed towards the sideline and Brooks crosses his face. Easy throw for a 1st down. Bryce doesn't throw it, keeps looking, runs around the pocket and ends up throwing a long incompletion to Gibbs I believe down the seam. Punt.


3rd Quarter, 7 mins left, 1st and 10

This was a play action delay throwback play that was set up perfectly and had exactly what we wanted - Gibbs all alone with 30 yards of grass in front of him. For whatever reason Bryce just doesn't throw him the ball. No clue. This is a huge gain, and knowing Gibbs, possibly a touchdown. Instead, Bryce runs around and eventually comes back to Gibbs but only to throw it 10 feet over his head to throw it away.




3rd Quarter, 3 mins left, 1st and 10

Brooks is wide open on an RPO pull and Bryce just makes a really bad throw. JPW was so shocked by how bad a throw it was on the radio that he said that he assumed maybe Brooks broke the route off too far down the field, because he'd never seen Bryce miss a ball that badly.





3rd Quarter, 2.5 mins left, 3rd and 8

After a 2 yard run following the previous play, we are in 3rd and 8. 2 guys break their routes to the middle in front of the zone. Earle appears to be the better option as #14 is locked on closing on Latu (though he is flat footed) and #13 is 6 yards off and behind Earle. He chooses Earle and throws it into the dirt.




3rd Quarter, 0.5 mins left, 1st and G

Nice play design, we get Latu with 2 steps on the LB and the WR has pulled the DB to the corner of the end zone with his back turned. However, Bryce's throw is behind Latu which forces Latu to slow down, the LB catches up and contests the pass ending in an incompletion.






TL/DR - I love Bryce, he's awesome and he's been a warrior the last few weeks with the shoulder. Also, BoB is pretty blah and has a big hand in a lot of issues we have. However, while BoB's plan wasn't dynamic Saturday, if Bryce makes normal Bryce throws and reads we're up 38-0 at the end of 3 quarters and probably have 400 yards of offense. As others have noted, because of how State was playing, running the ball was going to be difficult but there were going to be options in the intermediate range of the field and short options if pass pro held up and guys cleared LBs/hybrids in the middle (pass pro did hold up), but the QB has to make those throws quickly and accurately. Bryce just really didn't, and the entire offense was ineffective because of it. Guys weren't open on every play (a few in the 3rd there were zero good options, Bryce maneuvered the pocket to wait for them to come free correctly), but there were a bunch of plays where multiple guys had open bubbles and open non-congested space in front of their line of acceleration.

Bye week is badly needed.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 9:53 am
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4966 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 9:50 am to
100 percent agreed. I said 3rd quarter for Young was rough.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
14720 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 9:54 am to
Bryce definitely holds the ball too long at times . When he throws on time (Arky) good things happen. Like you illustrated , IDK why we are reluctant to hit players in the flats . If you can get it to players like Gibbs, Earle , etc with a 5-10 yd cushion , they are going to make one miss at least. Easy money
Posted by Bamadiver
Member since Jun 2014
4024 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:09 am to
Those underneath routes have been there a lot the last two years and it's not like he doesn't know they are there. Makes me wonder about NIL contracts and the possiblilty of performance-based multipliers. He's probably just pressing but it's almost irrational that he will hold the ball up to 10 seconds. Someone is open, take what the D gives and move the ball.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
55987 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:16 am to
I think that Bryce has trouble seeing over lineman because of his height, which leads to not finding anyone open, and breaking the pocket.
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
5775 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:26 am to
It’s very possible Bryce is still trying to win the Heisman. He’ll need some massive games to make that happen after missing time. He may be punting the short plays for the deep ball to try and get more on the highlight tape.
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4966 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:31 am to
Not again with NIL stuff. Smh.
Posted by DT55Forever1
Member since Jan 2018
3107 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:42 am to
One of the biggest issues is that BoB's offense requires the QB and receiver to read the same situation at the LOS. You're asking multiple people to all come up with the same conclusion in an extremely short period of time with limited communication. What could possibly go wrong?

That system only works when you have a consistent roster year in and year out, players with multiple years of experience playing together, or have a guy like Bryce that can improvise constantly. (And you also better be able to run the ball somewhat effectively to limit the blitz)

Not sure why Saban thought Bob's system would work anyway. It wasn't affective in the NFL either. Nearly all of the Texans offenses were middle to bottom of the NFL.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
29654 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:48 am to
One thing I have noticed about Bryce is he will sometimes not see open guys. Don’t know if it has to do with his height or not
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105717 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:57 am to
I do not think it has anything to do with self serving reasons (NIL, Heisman) and everything to do with the injury, pressing to make big plays, possible height effecting that short throw over linemen, etc.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
936 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 11:23 am to
While it is correlation over causation, all of the photos you posted do have at least 1 tall OL guy between him and the receiver he attempted to hit or should have gone to with the throw.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105717 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 11:26 am to
Yep - and even if it doesn't specifically effect him on every play, it's a part of his game he's crafted what he does around for his entire life........so it bears to reason that the way he plays quarterback is in part based around the idea that short throws across the middle (and other parts of the field, but specifically the middle third) are just not really available to him. And therefore he is mentally conditioned to not waste his time looking there because 90% of the time he can't accurately make an assessment of coverage due to what he can see. However, we still have to run routes to those parts of the field to drag defenders there and on the chance that it is open and he sees it and can make the throw.

That could be all wrong, but we've watched him for long enough now and understand how cerebral and good he is at feeling guys coming open.......and yet seems to have a blind spot (pardon the pun) for some of those short crosser routes and throws to the flat from the pocket. And both of those routes have one thing in common - throwing over linemen. It's also a big reason he escapes the pocket so quickly, I think. He's looking for space to operate and let guys get open but he is also looking for clean vision, IMHO.

It does make me wonder why we don't try to the move the pocket for him more often and get him better views/angles.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 11:29 am
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
55987 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

It does make me wonder why we don't try to the move the pocket for him more often and get him better views/angles.



I don't even recall us ever moving the pocket for him, but it'd be mucho effective me thinks.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
7626 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:29 pm to
I really think the throw against UT on Bama's last drive where he missed a wide open Bond for six was probably due to his shoulder. The ball was poorly thrown and my initial thoughts was Bond ran the route wrong. I'm not sure that wasn't due to the shoulder.
Posted by PBD4BAMA
Sweet Home Alabama
Member since Dec 2014
6442 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

This was a play action delay throwback play that was set up perfectly and had exactly what we wanted

I honestly believe BY lost sight of him because of the lineman in front of him. It wasn't until he scrambled that he finally noticed but it was too late then.
Posted by bbeck
Member since Dec 2011
15248 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 3:28 pm to
Not sure how a sore shoulder keeps him from throwing to the shortest route? If anything I’d think he would be more likely to hit check downs at a more frequent rate.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105717 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

Not sure how a sore shoulder keeps him from throwing to the shortest route?


I don't think the sore shoulder prevented him from pulling the trigger on those. I do think it effected his accuracy on some of the ones he did throw.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
4300 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:10 pm to
quote:


I don't even recall us ever moving the pocket for him, but it'd be mucho effective me thinks


I was screaming at BoB to roll the pocket all last year with the offensive line struggles we had and he never did. He didn't do it then I doubt he does it now.
Posted by bogeypro
North Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4052 posts
Posted on 10/27/22 at 9:08 am to
I remember early in his time here at bama, I was ridiculed for saying that his height might be an issue. Granted, I was also saying stupid shite like "I'd like to see Paul Tyson play". LOL

Great breakdown SoG. I do wonder what we don't seem to hit many underneath routes.... This seems very logical.
Posted by GoatHenry
Member since Dec 2021
83 posts
Posted on 10/27/22 at 10:01 am to
There was also a back shoulder throw he completely whiffed on a post I guess Burton was running he was kind of angling to the sideline but just ran 30 yards straight downfield. Bryce's ball hit the hash mark but Burton and the corner were about 2-4 yards from the bama sideline. I am not sure how well it showed on TV copy but it was pretty clear in person.
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