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re: Bryan Harsin to Auburn?

Posted on 12/22/20 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 6:32 pm to
Bill Clark at least knows the state, always fields a good defense, and has shown he can rebuild a program. Not saying Clark is better, but Harsin took over a consistent program and hasn't really had any 'wow' upsets that Peterson used to have. He's actually had some very underwhelming games.
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
5895 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 6:50 pm to
This is the thing that will make or break the hire. He's never recruited in the South. Who his assistants are will be key. I almost bet that Rodney Garner will be retained. He knows how to play the game.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
13136 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 6:59 pm to
Pat Dye was running herd for Coach Bryant in the 70's.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:17 pm to
From what I’ve read, Harsin is fairly well regarded in coaching circles, but this hire seems like a stretch. Peterson did better at Boise St and he hasn’t really set the world on fire at Washington. And the PAC 12 is a much, much weaker conference.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:20 pm to
It's definitely a bit of a wild card hire, but at least you can see some possible upside. Better than hiring a retread loser coach like Muschamp or something.

But yea, far from a sure thing.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:26 pm to
Under different circumstances, it’d be a low risk, high reward hire. But one or two bad seasons and the groans over firing Gus for him will ratchet up.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:28 pm to
Yep. Gus being fired after averaging 8-4 is his worst enemy, because if you don't beat Georgia/LSU/Alabama more often and go 9-3/10-2 then it's going to be a lot of groans.

Helluva bar to top.
Posted by Carlton
Forced LANKing made the GOAT Retire
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:32 pm to
To me this is just a stop gap for both coach and school. Harsin is out of the MWC and at a near top tier job and if he wins big, great Auburn can throw a billion dollars to keep him while he flirts with Pac-12 schools. If he does so, so or bombs he gets his pick of any top G-5 jobs available and Auburn can now do a legitimate search. And if by then Boise is out of the MWC and needs a coach he is always welcome back there with open arms. This is a 3-5 year marriage in 95% of the scenarios.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 7:34 pm
Posted by 1loyalbamafan
alabama
Member since Mar 2015
3935 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:40 pm to
I'm a bit surprised at the hire, but not surprised Harsin took the job after being forced to take a cut in pay "due to covid" this year at Boise.

It seems a bit strange. No way he was close to Aubrens first choice.
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
5110 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:44 pm to
Ya'll realized he replaced Gus twice?

They both run same offense. Harsin is way better than Gus. I wouldn't be shocked if he get the team to 10 wins next year.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6682 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:47 pm to
Aren't you guys sort of sugar coating this crap hire?

Do you honestly think Alburn would have paid 30 million and lost Malzhan for this guy?

Nope. Something went terribly wrong. It honestly seems like they panicked over Gus's recruiting. They also thought they were schematically disadvantaged passing game wise.

But they made it worse.

If the truth be known, this guy is a bit of a disapointment for Boise and has not maintained Peterson's level of play

This was a referendum on the Auburn job. Not too highly thought of these days.

Auburn has done pretty decent job remaining relevant during the Saban era. Much more so than I imagined they could.

But the wheels have just come off. Auburn is about to become the cellar dweller in the west.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:48 pm to
quote:

They both run same offense


Harsin is much more of a pro style guy than Gus. Same as Chris Peterson.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:49 pm to
quote:

Aren't you guys sort of sugar coating this crap hire?


I don't think so. I think hiring Will Muschamp or Kevin Steele could have thrown them in the cellar.

I think Harsin could be solid or could be middling. I don't think he'll tank the program.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6682 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:52 pm to
If you look at the west right now, your either moving forward or your moving backward.

It's like they just stuck some random guy into the middle of a meat grinder.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 7:53 pm
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
5110 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:53 pm to
I meant in term of philosophy. He does lot of shifting and motions. Reminds me of Matt Canada of LSU from few years ago.

The Boise St. shifts are broken up into categories:
1. Single shifts involving one player.
2. Combo and Show shifts involving two players
3. Scatter shifts involving three or more (usually more) players.

Many defenses line up based up on the strength of the offense and the use of shifts and motions causes defenses to have to adjust quickly and align correctly to not be out-leveraged. Harsin will be able to run the same plays from different looks, making it tough for opponents, but easy for his guys on offense (similar to Manny Diaz's Fire Zone philosophy).
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
16162 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

I wouldn't be shocked if he get the team to 10 wins next year.


If he doesn't find some way to salvage a recruiting class and shore up both lines it will be a struggle to win 7 next year.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 7:55 pm to
Yea - their line situation on both sides is a problem. You can't go 2-3 years without any impact players on either line in this league, and that's where they are unless they have a miracle between now and signing day.
Posted by Carlton
Forced LANKing made the GOAT Retire
Member since Feb 2016
14761 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:01 pm to
Are you saying this is second time replacing Gus or he replaced Gus twice before now? When he replaced Gus at Arky State they were both their for only one season and Gus went 10-3 and Harsin went 8-5. Has he replaced Gus another time.
Posted by Chad4Bama
Member since Sep 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:07 pm to
No way they wanted to end up paying $30 million to hire this guy.

Plans A, B and likely C all got torpedoed obviously.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
16232 posts
Posted on 12/22/20 at 8:09 pm to
quote:

If he doesn't find some way to salvage a recruiting class and shore up both lines it will be a struggle to win 7 next year.



I think this year's recruiting class is already unsalvageable. He's going to have to hit the transfer portal to try and shore up any deficiencies (which will be pretty much impossible).

But if he is to stand any chance at succeeding afterward, his staff hires will be the most important decisions he will make. He's going to have to hire people that know how to recruit in the SEC. He may even should keep Gardner on as the recruiting coordinator (aka bagman). I'm not sure bringing most of his staff from Boise St. would be the smart way to go for him.
This post was edited on 12/22/20 at 8:10 pm
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