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re: Brandon Kennedy transferring

Posted on 5/11/18 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 3:52 pm to
Alabama blocking departing player from transferring to SEC schools (al.com)


Offensive lineman Brandon Kennedy is leaving Alabama as a graduate transfer.
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Alabama is again blocking a player from joining another SEC school as a graduate transfer.

Redshirt sophomore offensive lineman Brandon Kennedy is interested in transferring to Auburn or Tennessee but isn't even currently allowed to have contact with those schools, any other school in the SEC or any of the Crimson Tide's future non-conference opponents, sources told AL.com.

Kennedy, who ended the spring as Alabama's backup center, is in the process of appealing.

The Wetumpka native graduated from Alabama in December and is close to completing the requirements for his master's degree.
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 3:53 pm
Posted by CrimsonTider98
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 5:28 pm to
No, we shouldn't let him transfer to Auburn or UT. There's about 120+ other schools he can transfer to.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 7:29 pm to
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Alabama is again blocking a player from joining another SEC school as a graduate transfer.
I am 1000% against this. Let him go where he wants.

I lose respect for every coach that pulls this shite.
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 7:52 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:57 pm to
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I am 1000% against this. Let him go where he wants.

I lose respect for every coach that pulls this shite.


Rules are rules.......don't be such a bitch.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 8:58 pm to
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:11 pm to
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.



Doesn't mean you owe anybody shite either....change the rules if you don't like it. We aren't in the business of helping the competition.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:15 pm to
Then drop the "amateur athletics" bullshite and stop the charade of acting like they are regular students.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37641 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:29 pm to
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Then drop the "amateur athletics" bullshite and stop the charade of acting like they are regular students.





Some are some aren't........NFL isn't interested in changing the paradigm either.

You commit....you have eligibility. Don't want to finish with Bama? Go somewhere else...there are 120 Div 1 schools but you aren't going to our chief competitors....they can always declare for the draft if they are good enough....most aren't......

....and you are still being a bitch
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 9:33 pm to
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 5/11/18 at 10:48 pm to
I do have some mixed feelings on this issue -- because the best interests of student-athletes are very important. The question is whether or not it's actually in the best interest of not only the tranfering student, but also the other student-athletes who are affected by the transfer, such as teammates. There's also the interests of the institutions, and last but not least the principles of integrity and fairness to consider.

A school invests A LOT of resources, money and time in recruiting, educating, supporting and developing players. And it's based on a 4-year (minimum) athletic scholarship the institution must honor. Shouldn't student-athletes also be obligated to honor their end of the deal?

Even if he's not a starter, he may be important depth on the team. He also knows the playbook, schemes and strategies well. Is it fair to the school and his teammates for him to just walk out and go play for a competitor within your conference or on your schedule?

If 3-year grads who redshirted (and thus have 2 years remaining to play) get total freedom to transfer anywhere they want and play right away, LOTS more kids are going to start taking enough summer classes to graduate early and give themselves that option.

If that becomes the trend, teams (incl. UT & AU) could have MANY of their most experienced players (incl. starters), that they invested 3-4 years and LOTS of money in educating and developing, walk out EVERY YEAR to play for competitors in their conference and on their schedules. Hey AU and UT, be careful what you wish for.

Iirc, the NCAA "grad transfer freedom" rule only applies if the player's current school doesn't offer his desired grad degree program. Maybe that has changed recently and I'm just not aware of it. But I don't think so. I think that's the basis of UA's ability to place restrictions on a transfer release for a player that's earned an undergrad degree.

To win an appeal to obtain an NCAA exception override of the transfer restriction for a certain school (AU or UT), it should fall on the player to show that he is unable to obtain his desired graduate degree on an athletic scholarship at any and all comparable non-restricted schools.

It's going to be interesting to see if UA's transfer release restrictions hold up in this player's case. It may set a very important precedent.

Like 14&Counting said, there are plenty of schools besides the ones Bama doesn't want him to transfer to. I don't think it's unreasonable for UA (and every school) to protect itself from becoming a developer of players for competitors in its conference and scheduled opponents.
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 9:18 am
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 12:59 am to
Report: Alabama blocking offensive lineman Brandon Kennedy from transferring to SEC schools (SEC Country)
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Earlier this week it was reported that Alabama offensive lineman Brandon Kennedy would be transferring from Alabama. However, according to Al.com’s Matt Zeintz, Kennedy might not be able to transfer to two of his top choices, which happen to be in the SEC.

Kennedy is interested in transferring to either Auburn or Tennessee. But Alabama is blocking Kennedy from transferring to SEC schools. Alabama is also reportedly blocking him from transferring to any future Alabama non-conference opponents.  This is standard practice, even in Kennedy’s case who is a graduate transfer.

This isn’t the first time in recent memory an Alabama player has wanted to transfer to an SEC school. Two seasons ago, Maurice Smithwanted to transfer from Alabama to Georgia, so he could play for Kirby Smart who was a former Alabama coach. It’s worth mentioning that Tennessee is now coached by former Alabama defensive coordinator Jeremy Pruitt.

In the last two seasons, two other SEC players have transferred between SEC schools, running back David Williams went from South Carolina to Arkansas and defensive back Nick Harveywent from Texas A&M to South Carolina.

Kennedy was the backup center for Alabama and is in the process of appealing this ruling. Smith was eventually allowed to transfer to Georgia, were he went on to be a key player for the Bulldogs. But Smith only had one season of eligibility, while Kennedy would have multiple seasons. And Smith did not face Alabama, while Auburn and Tennessee play every year.
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 1:01 am
Posted by auisssa
Member since Feb 2010
4184 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 7:01 am to
I'll second pville here. I aint scared of a backup lineman going to au or ut. He put his time in. And he's going to end up playing for au or ut for at least a year if he wans to (5th year senior year). So he'd be part of their team this year and be able to play next year anyhow.


And if it does lead to more kids taking summer classes and graduating early...good. Most won't play in the NFL and will have a BS and MA the rest of their lives.

Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 9:12 am to
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And if it does lead to more kids taking summer classes and graduating early...good. Most won't play in the NFL and will have a BS and MA the rest of their lives. 
Transfer release restictions for competitors in your conference and scheduled opponents does not prevent or discourage student-athletes from obtaining MAs on athletic scholarships.
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 9:14 am
Posted by auisssa
Member since Feb 2010
4184 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 10:47 am to
Didn't mean to imply that they couldn't get an MA from a different non-rival college. Youre right. They certainly can.

We'll just have a difference of opinion on if a full release should be given upon graduation. I dont really have a problem with it.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72203 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 10:53 am to
Unfortunately this seems to be a yearly occurrence. Assistants leave for promotions elsewhere in the conference, and guys lower on the depth chart want to follow with a grad transfer.

Ultimately I am happy the kid has his degree and it is his prerogative to take his talent to play eleshere. But a part of me is irritated to see it somewhere in the SEC. Especially a kid as talented as Kennedy. If injuries don't derail his career, he may be starting this fall for Alabama.

Alabama's hands may be tied in the end. Even with this initial block, public pressure may win out like it did with Mo Smith. And I still believe that fiasco cost Alabama an additional DB with Sheffield transferring out too (they were both from the Houston metro).
Posted by auisssa
Member since Feb 2010
4184 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 11:03 am to
Yep, have a hard and fast NCAA rule either way. It shouldn't be a dramatic thing every year. Either a graduate can play anywhere or he can only play for a team not on your upcoming schedule.

But thinking of Mo Smith (and especially his momma) watching Alabama celebrate makes that one worth it.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37641 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 11:08 am to
@Pvlle: Sorry man that was a little harsh....

I believe they have commitment they need to fulfill. If a kid is transferring because he can't crack the rotation at Bama, chances are his future isn't going to be the NFL. I get they want to see the field and I don't have any problem with them transferring because they want to play. They can transfer to 120 other schools. I think everyone knows the deal if you sign with Bama: the best will rise to the top and they will play. They can transfer in conference if the coach says OK. We let that kid go to UGA and it turned we desperately needed depth in the DB ranks that year. So Nick had his reasons for initially blocking the transfer

I don't have a problem with the coach if he says no for all the reasons TitleSurge laid out. It's not a question of being scared but we have invested a lot in him and for him to take it to a chief competitor just doesn't sit well. The kid I mentioned was set to go to Miami then changed to Baylor and then UGA when Kirby came on board and offered him.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 12:00 pm to
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We'll just have a difference of opinion on if a full release should be given upon graduation. I dont really have a problem with it.

I do disagree -- for all the reasons I mentioned. I think a school should be able to restrict players, including graduates, it has invested in devloping from transfering to schools (to obtain an athletic scholarship from them) within it's conference and on it's schedule during a player's remaining eligibility. Eliminating schools' ability to put reasonable restrictions on transfer releases would open a pandora's box. NCAA rules should not be able to defacto force UA or any institution to develop players for its primary competitors.
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 12:13 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22718 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 12:31 pm to
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Then drop the "amateur athletics" bullshite and stop the charade of acting like they are regular students.



Grad transfers are supposed to be about furthering their education, not about furthering their football careers. The other school has to show they have programs available for furthering their education etc.

There are plenty of schools they can transfer to as regular students and also play football. There are at the same times schools he is not allowed to play football at.

It's for competitive reasons, and if they can't handle it's the nature of college football, then they can just find other options. Like it or not, while education is a large part of everything, when it comes to football itself - the rules are there for competitive reasons.

It would be in the best interests of education to not limit scholarships at all for example. But for competitive reasons they limit scholarships. The notion that "what's best for the kids" trumps all else is total bullshite.

Free agency, which is what this amounts to, even as a reward for getting a degree, is bad for the sport.
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37641 posts
Posted on 5/12/18 at 12:57 pm to
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Free agency, which is what this amounts to, even as a reward for getting a degree, is bad for the sport.


Free agency is still a relatively new thing in the NFL. It has only been around the last 20 years or so. It didn't used to be that way.

When a kid signs, he is also committing his amateur status to that school in exchange for the scholarship. It's not indentured servitude by any stretch of the imagination and they are free to leave anytime and play elsewhere just not within the conference unless approved by the coach.
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