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re: Barmore should be an every down lineman. Should be a priority.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 10:35 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Posted on 10/21/19 at 10:35 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
As for Barmore I think he will see big minutes down the stretch vs lsu,AU and Sec title.
We brought in the Miss state D line coach for a reason and saban gonna have to trust him.
We brought in the Miss state D line coach for a reason and saban gonna have to trust him.
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:44 am to JustGetItRight
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I always love when fans are so positive they know more than the best college coach of this century.
I’ve seen this post floating around for years. Yes he’s the best/2nd best of all time with Bryant.
What makes him the best are his elite attributes: Recruiting/talent evaluation, program development/stability, schematic complexity, weekly game preparation, and motivator. If he was perfect then we would be undefeated since 07.
No one is perfect. Including one of the best 2 of all time.
His weaknesses, objectively (imo): personnel use (several instances we can list. Honestly so many it deserves it’s own thread), contradictory standards (best player will play regardless of class, flip side, upper classmen have been in the system and don’t make as many mistakes (but don’t give us the best chance to win like his mantra states), in game coaching decisions at times (this is a weakness and a strength because there are different moments of the game he is good and bad) one of those instances are his decisions to not call timeouts when he obviously needs to at points. This is usually in critical games that are back and forth. Kicking. Idk if it’s a coincidence that we get mental cases for kickers or what, but since Leigh tiffin, we haven’t had a kicker that’s been above average. I haven’t seen Saban hire a kicking specialist yet which is unbelievably disappointing. The king of we left money on the table, isn’t taking pro-active steps in developing, what should be your leading scorer on your team. They need a true kicking professional. NFL kicking coach or a former pro kicker imo. Then there is the secondary. We don’t always have a bad secondary, but in every season except 2011, it has been susceptible against strong passing offenses in every other year. It’s not talent and it is not scheme. It is this in phase, out of phase philosophy. In phase: If you are behind the WR and are in position to make a play on the ball with your head toward the play, play the ball. Out of phase: behind the WR or on backside hip, play WR’s eyes/hands. Why this doesn’t work is the WR’s eyes and hands don’t always tell the story. If you ever see our corners get called for grabbing on PI out of phase, it is due to them guessing the ball is almost there by judging what they see from the WR’s eyes. I think the next best solution is to let them use their athleticism and allow them to turn their head for a split second as if they were an outfielder in baseball. What kills me is we see the back of the head the entire play. Hell, I’ve seen them get hit in the back of the god damn head before, where if they had turned their head a split second, not enough for the WR to pull away, they’d have a statistically insane jump in INT numbers, much less big play susceptibility, and a decrease in Pass Interference calls because the refs can see our corners trying to make a play on the ball with their heads turned around at least a split second before the ball gets there.
In summary, Personnel decision making, in game decision making/time outs, kicking, and secondary philosophy are his biggest weaknesses that I’ve seen.
You can be the best and still not be perfect.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 4:55 am
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:54 am to South Alabama Tide
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It’s not talent and it is not scheme. It is this in phase, out of phase philosophy. In phase: If you are behind the WR and are in position to make a play on the ball with your head toward the play, play the ball. Out of phase: behind the WR or on backside hip, play WR’s eyes/hands. Why this doesn’t work is the WR’s eyes and hands don’t always tell the story. If you ever see our corners get called for grabbing on PI out of phase, it is due to them guessing the ball is almost there by judging what they see from the WR’s eyes. I think the next best solution is to let them use their athleticism and allow them to turn their head for a split second as if they were an outfielder in baseball. What kills me is we see the back of the head the entire play. Hell, I’ve seen them get hit in the back of the god damn head before, where if they had turned their head a split second, not enough for the WR to pull away, they’d have a statistically insane jump in INT numbers, much less big play susceptibility, and a decrease in Pass Interference calls because the refs can see our corners trying to make a play on the ball with their heads turned around at least a split second before the ball gets there.
At what point do you look back? You lose a step when you turn around, so you have to limit your turns if you can afford even one. If you are not observing the WR's eyes and hands, you don't know when or even if the ball is in the air, so when do you teach that the DB should turn around and look?
I don't mean this facetiously, but what is the source of your expertise? Are you a coach or player or former or a fan? Thanks
Posted on 10/22/19 at 9:58 am to tattoo
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At what point do you look back? You lose a step when you turn around, so you have to limit your turns if you can afford even one. If you are not observing the WR's eyes and hands, you don't know when or even if the ball is in the air, so when do you teach that the DB should turn around and look?
I don't mean this facetiously, but what is the source of your expertise? Are you a coach or player or former or a fan? Thanks
You look back when the receiver looks back. By that point, hopefully, you can tell what the guy had for breakfast.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 3:09 pm to South Alabama Tide
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No one is perfect. Including one of the best 2 of all time....In summary, Personnel decision making... are his biggest weaknesses that I’ve seen.
Personnel decision making is a very complicated issue and is actually a Saban strength. His evaluation skills are second to none according to most. He also is the best at finding a role for as many kids as can contribute. What fans see is a much more finished product than the staff initially receives. So, even the astute fan, who usually has no clue about all of the issues involved, only sees what the player is after he has been refined by teaching and practice. I.e., what the player is today is not what he was, even a week ago. But the arrogant see a player that is now able to contribute and wonder why he wasn't playing previously. Well, there may be a large and/or important gap between what he is today vs just 2 weeks ago.
The fan has no idea what the player's responsibilities are on a particular play. It's all important. Mainly what the vast majority of fans see is the ball and what players are doing near it. Sometimes a players shouldn't even be in the vicinity.
Fans have no idea how important technique is to a player's performance. Few even think about it, many don't even know it exists. Neither do they know who is using the right technique. The coaches do.
There are other factors to consider such as how quickly do you replace an incumbent, the effect it has on both careers, the effect it has on the older players who are watching, as well as the newcomers, weighing one set of attributes vs another set, and more.
Certainly coaches make mistakes but usually the fan has no clue about any situation. They may even guess right about a situation but likely have no idea what the real reasons are.
People who play and coach the game chuckle and snicker at the fan's "demands" knowing that they rarely know what is really going on.
Though imperfect, personnel decision-making is a strength of Coach Saban's. It's one reason the NFL, guys whose million dollar careers are on the line, is so interested in his opinions about players.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 3:13 pm to bamameister
quote:This is what Coach Saban teaches but the poster said that this was not adequate. Read his post please.
You look back when the receiver looks back. By that point, hopefully, you can tell what the guy had for breakfast.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 3:28 pm to South Alabama Tide
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I’ve seen this post floating around for years. Yes he’s the best/2nd best of all time with Bryant.
What makes him the best are his elite attributes: Recruiting/talent evaluation, program development/stability, schematic complexity, weekly game preparation, and motivator. If he was perfect then we would be undefeated since 07.
No one is perfect. Including one of the best 2 of all time.
His weaknesses, objectively (imo): personnel use (several instances we can list. Honestly so many it deserves it’s own thread), contradictory standards (best player will play regardless of class, flip side, upper classmen have been in the system and don’t make as many mistakes (but don’t give us the best chance to win like his mantra states), in game coaching decisions at times (this is a weakness and a strength because there are different moments of the game he is good and bad) one of those instances are his decisions to not call timeouts when he obviously needs to at points. This is usually in critical games that are back and forth. Kicking. Idk if it’s a coincidence that we get mental cases for kickers or what, but since Leigh tiffin, we haven’t had a kicker that’s been above average. I haven’t seen Saban hire a kicking specialist yet which is unbelievably disappointing. The king of we left money on the table, isn’t taking pro-active steps in developing, what should be your leading scorer on your team. They need a true kicking professional. NFL kicking coach or a former pro kicker imo. Then there is the secondary. We don’t always have a bad secondary, but in every season except 2011, it has been susceptible against strong passing offenses in every other year. It’s not talent and it is not scheme. It is this in phase, out of phase philosophy. In phase: If you are behind the WR and are in position to make a play on the ball with your head toward the play, play the ball. Out of phase: behind the WR or on backside hip, play WR’s eyes/hands. Why this doesn’t work is the WR’s eyes and hands don’t always tell the story. If you ever see our corners get called for grabbing on PI out of phase, it is due to them guessing the ball is almost there by judging what they see from the WR’s eyes. I think the next best solution is to let them use their athleticism and allow them to turn their head for a split second as if they were an outfielder in baseball. What kills me is we see the back of the head the entire play. Hell, I’ve seen them get hit in the back of the god damn head before, where if they had turned their head a split second, not enough for the WR to pull away, they’d have a statistically insane jump in INT numbers, much less big play susceptibility, and a decrease in Pass Interference calls because the refs can see our corners trying to make a play on the ball with their heads turned around at least a split second before the ball gets there.
In summary, Personnel decision making, in game decision making/time outs, kicking, and secondary philosophy are his biggest weaknesses that I’ve seen.
You can be the best and still not be perfect.
You aren't even close enough to the team to have all the information available and still you think you make better evaluations than Nick Saban based on a limited amount in game plays that you happen to notice?
Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:58 pm to tattoo
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Saban, the best evaluator in the sport according to some, has commented on his special ability as a pass rusher and disruptor, but has noted that he continues to frequently play rogue ball. Can't have that.
I didn't read the rest, but this is correct and for Saban it is a developmental thing (for the player and other players watching) in addition to being a bad situation for the defense on any given play. IF he starts him when the guy isn't buying in / getting into position, it makes it harder to get him to buy in as well as shows other people - talent trumps doing what you are supposed to do.
That said, it looks like Barmore is getting more PT and hopefully after getting some experience then having a bye week put some fundamentals together, can step into a larger role for the d
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 5:00 pm
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