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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:45 am to
Posted by BrianFantana
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:45 am to
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RB’s blocking needs to improve.

OL yeah needs work.

Need QB switch up.


Why is it those position groups need to work to improve but QB needs a switch? Why wouldn't the QB be given that opportunity too?
Posted by Bamadiver
Member since Jun 2014
4027 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:47 am to
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RB’s blocking needs to improve.

OL yeah needs work.
This makes me wonder if that is why Milroe is the starter. Very similar to LSU's predicament this year.

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Need QB switch up.
Regardless of the issues above, this has to happen. It won't, but it should.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26563 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:53 am to
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He created some OL issues by holding the ball too long, running into rushers by scrambling the wrong way, ...



His running instincts, or lack thereof, were what surprised me on Saturday. I already knew he basically has the deep ball and not much else throwing, but I was thinking he would do real damage running the ball. He was hesitant running, often ran the wrong way (right into tacklers), and went down rather easily. If he is not going to use his best asset and gash people on the ground, then it's very hard to argue that he should remain QB1.

I also kept expecting more read option and it never really materialized. If we aren't going to, or Milroe is not capable of (can he make the reads in the read option?), truly using his freak athleticism then we have to make a change. Maybe the other QBs will be worse, but if we want a shot at winning the SEC West, the QB play has to be better than Saturday.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
14727 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:05 am to
That was my biggest complaint . He really didn’t do what he does best. Few times if he keeps it in read option , it is wide open . I really thought he would have around 100 yds rushing

When J Hurts made up his mind to run, he ran and was a weapon…. Milroe needs to do the same . Be more decisive
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:12 am to
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Regardless of the issues above, this has to happen. It won't, but it should.



I don't think that Saban has some kind of love affair with Milroe like many of you are acting like.

This isn't a Jalen-Tua situation.

Jalen started an entire season, won SEC offensive player of the year, and came a defensive stop away from a perfect season, and had/has an uncanny knock of being an incredible leader of men.

Milroe doesn't really have anything at all to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think that Saban left him in there because our Oline was complete arse and he didn't feel good about putting a less-mobile QB in the game in the 4th quarter in what was initially us taking the lead, then UT leading by a score, then by two scores. All of that happened VERY quickly. And it just was kind of too late to throw someone out there, especially considering Texas's offense ate up the last, what, 5 or 6 minutes of the game?

So yeah, I don't think that Saban is all-in on Milroe. Nothing he has said so far this year has indicated that he is all-in on Milroe. I would be very surprised if we don't see 2 or 3 other guys get first half reps on Saturday.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 10:14 am
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
4585 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:15 am to
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The interceptions by Milroe were easy for Texas because he stares down the WR’s. 


That catch by Benson. That was a tougher catch than it needed to be....LB started sprinting to his right, following Milroe's eyes, because he knew where ball was going
Posted by Bamadiver
Member since Jun 2014
4027 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:51 am to
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I don't think that Saban has some kind of love affair with Milroe like many of you are acting like.
Saban has a history of playing seniority over youth. That's just a fact. He also insists on the system over the player (or coach). I'm not complaining, it's worked beautifully.

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he didn't feel good about putting a less-mobile QB in the game
This is the thing I keep coming back to and why I compare us to LSU for the moment. What it tells me is we don't have a QB capable of a three step drop and quick release. Or we don't yet. But hey, our last four QBs are in the NFL now so we might be just a tad spoiled (it's a crime that Bryce didn't leave with a NC ring).
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
56036 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:58 am to
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This is the thing I keep coming back to and why I compare us to LSU for the moment. What it tells me is we don't have a QB capable of a three step drop and quick release. Or we don't yet. But hey, our last four QBs are in the NFL now so we might be just a tad spoiled (it's a crime that Bryce didn't leave with a NC ring).



Yeah you might be right. I just gotta think that one of the other 3 are better at it than Milroe.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
941 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:02 am to
Tyler has the best 3-step with a quick release.

Ty has a longer throwing motion but a higher release point.
Posted by Bamadiver
Member since Jun 2014
4027 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 11:02 am to
I guess nobody's doing it in practice but the game this weekend would be the place to try it live.
Posted by jjv0004
Greenville, SC
Member since Sep 2022
584 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:30 pm to
This o-line is not good at all. I really can't understand. Are the recruiting services just clueless because we have very highly ranked guys at o-line or is our development just complete crap since 2020?
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11808 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:35 pm to
I seldom agree with Rick Neuheisel but he brought up an interesting point that I lend a lot of credence to. He said both Bama's and Clemson's OCs are making a mistake trying to make drop back passers of their 2 QB's. It's not who they are and probably never will be. He said lead with their feet; in other words, run designated QB sweeps, more sprint out, roll out, bootlegs to get them on the edge of the defense and let them run if they've got green grass in front of them or throw if they see an open man. He pointed out that if you let them run more and even designate runs for them, it pressures the defense to play more man coverage and they have shown they can complete balls against man, they struggle with zones. His statement was if you lead with their feet, the passing will come. Jalen wants to run, he's uncomfortable in the pocket, let him run, get him on the edge.
Posted by Tupelo
Member since Aug 2022
1739 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:36 pm to
You don't know how someone will respond until they're put in game situations. I hope we get to see each of the QB's play some against USF early in the game. Even a game against a weaker team is better than a no contact scrimmage to assess their abilities. By the way, Missouri barely beat Middle Tennessee at home Saturday. So, Missouri also has some work to do.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11615 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 12:48 pm to
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I seldom agree with Rick Neuheisel but he brought up an interesting point that I lend a lot of credence to. He said both Bama's and Clemson's OCs are making a mistake trying to make drop back passers of their 2 QB's. It's not who they are and probably never will be. He said lead with their feet; in other words, run designated QB sweeps, more sprint out, roll out, bootlegs to get them on the edge of the defense and let them run if they've got green grass in front of them or throw if they see an open man. He pointed out that if you let them run more and even designate runs for them, it pressures the defense to play more man coverage and they have shown they can complete balls against man, they struggle with zones. His statement was if you lead with their feet, the passing will come. Jalen wants to run, he's uncomfortable in the pocket, let him run, get him on the edge.



If Jalen continues to play, the offense is going to have to change.

Furthermore, roll outs cuts the field in half. It may improve his ability to do progression reads and cutdown on getting "caught in a stare" by the defenders for bad INTs.

We can't beat Georgia with the kind of offense I imagine Jalen Milroe can execute but right now we aren't at "Beat Georgia" considerations. We need to figure out how to beat the SEC teams on our regular season schedule and consider that problem if it arrises.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Alabama_Fan
The Road Less Traveled
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by Remiden
Member since Jan 2018
1322 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:43 pm to
That is what the Falcons did with Matt Ryan his first year. Every play was designed for only half the field so he didn't have to check down, just one, maybe two reads. Would possibly help if they are persistent with starting Milroe, unless he cannot overcome starting down his WR. I'm not sure if he is staring down the WR, or staring down the DB, but either way, it just let's the D know where you are going to throw the ball.
Posted by Chad4Bama
Member since Sep 2020
8779 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 2:51 pm to
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(it's a crime that Bryce didn't leave with a NC ring)


Well, he DOES have a ring...as the backup QB in 2020, but yeah, as a starter he should have had one...and would have in 2021 if both starting WRs didn't go down. That was an indication of the talent dropoff at key positions that has hurt us in 2022 and now 2023. I say talent dropoff...may just be bad recruiting evaluations and/or lack of player development.
Posted by slammer66
Member since Aug 2014
291 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 3:03 pm to
When Reese was hired analysts said that due to his predilection toward the pro-set passing attack that Milro was the wrong guy to lead that style of attack and the other QB's fit it better. Kuto's for Milro winning the job but I think the criteria for their judgement was all wrong. As others have stated, if you want to go with Milro fine but you can't run a pro-set passing attack with a RPO quarterback. So pick a system or pick a QB but they have to match.
Posted by Alabama_Fan
The Road Less Traveled
Member since Sep 2020
15805 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 4:38 pm to
Monday Player press conferences

Dallas Turner


Tyler Booker
Posted by Alabama_Fan
The Road Less Traveled
Member since Sep 2020
15805 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 4:42 pm to
Alabama Coaching Staff Names Six Players of the Week following Texas Contest

One on offense, two on defense and three on special teams were recognized

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. – The Alabama coaching staff selected six players of the week following the Crimson Tide's top-15 matchup with then-No. 11/10 Texas last Saturday night in Bryant-Denny Stadium. Kobe Prentice on offense; Deontae Lawson and Malachi Moore on defense; and James Burnip, Kendrick Law and Will Reichard on special teams were all named for their efforts against the Longhorns.
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