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Posted on 5/27/21 at 7:36 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Posted on 5/27/21 at 7:36 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Maybe I’m ignorant of the situation and how we got here, but what is different for Alabama since 2006? We were a very consistent program for 30 years under Barry Schollenberger and Jim Wells. Is it simply not hiring the right guy for our circumstances? Or not investing in facilities as the arms race took over 20 years ago? Or did the landscape shift in general around us?
I think it's a couple of things
(1) In the 90s and 2000s the lottery scholarships were only in a very few states. Then it slowly expanded around the time Wells retired - Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, South Carolina, etc. It wasn't nearly as big a difference in dollars to offer kids difference for us in 2001 as it is in 2021. Now, it's just not even the same playing field. At all. Arkansas has a program where kids from Texas can get Arkansas Lottery scholarships. Go back and look at where a whole bunch of their future MLB players came from. Those are kids they aren't even using their 11.7 on (or using very small portions of it) that we'd have to ask to pay $15K to come to Alabama.
(2) Tuition increases made the scholarship thing an even BIGGER deal. Not only can we not use in-state lottery scholarships to supplement our 11.7, the kids we have to nickel and dime from other places are having to pay $45K a year to go to Alabama compared to $17K back in the mid-2000s. All while Georgia can bring in 20 guys from metro Atlanta using something like 5.5 baseball scholarships.
(3) Things decayed under Gaspard and collapsed under Goff. So on top of all the stuff about, Bo had to start from absolute scratch nothing.
If you have a free hour watch the College Baseball scholarship documentary that Wyatt from Mississippi did. It's extremely well done and does as good a job as anything I've ever seen at explaining all of that stuff.
This post was edited on 5/27/21 at 7:41 pm
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 7:40 pm to Chadaristic
I don’t follow the program real close, but I have followed this thread. I think Bo has shown consistent improvement in the program. He is a first time coach, and is technically in the 3rd year because of COVID. We managed to get to Hoover despite the injuries to our best pitchers and players. IMO, I think he has earned at least one...more like two years. You can tell we just don’t have the arms right now, and we have a very young team. I am willing to keep him here because he inherited a dumpster fire and has improved.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 7:42 pm to FWBFLlaw
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I don’t follow the program real close, but I have followed this thread. I think Bo has shown consistent improvement in the program. He is a first time coach, and is technically in the 3rd year because of COVID. We managed to get to Hoover despite the injuries to our best pitchers and players. IMO, I think he has earned at least one...more like two years. You can tell we just don’t have the arms right now, and we have a very young team. I am willing to keep him here because he inherited a dumpster fire and has improved.
I think that the best case scenario for us with Bo is that we become a solid program that wins between 13-17 SEC games every year and makes the NCAAT most years, with a team every few years that can truly compete to host a regional and make it to Omaha.
If we do that, I'm in. Sign me up.
We have to build the baseball program the way Mark Stoops built the Kentucky football program. It's going to take a while, and it's not going to be glamorous with stars and big names, but I think we got the right guy who knows how to recruit on the edges and in foreign territory (literally, Canada). It takes the right kind of guy to recruit the way you have to at Alabama. He's done it before at UK and Auburn and been very good at it and I think he's shown he can be here.
This post was edited on 5/27/21 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 5/27/21 at 7:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Those are all issues I understand and agree with. But it seemed like a lot of casual fans wanted to lay the issues solely at the foot of the 11.7 scholarships and no state lottery. I heard it so much I believed it as well. It certainly plays a major role. And more so now than ever, as you’ve stated. But you can work around it with the right coach.
It seems Ole Miss could be an interesting case study. How did they build their program. Same limitations. Though Mississippi will soon have a lottery.
It seems Ole Miss could be an interesting case study. How did they build their program. Same limitations. Though Mississippi will soon have a lottery.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:00 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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It seems Ole Miss could be an interesting case study. How did they build their program. Same limitations. Though Mississippi will soon have a lottery.
From what I've gathered Bianco came in at the right time when everything was kind of taking off and had a plan that he implemented to perfection. They became a good program, he built pipelines and it just kind of perpetuated itself. It's also one of the reasons I've read a lot of college baseball people warn that getting rid of him could be a really, really bad move because he knows how to operate within the situation they are in as well as anyone in college baseball.
Also, I could be wrong, but I think Ole Miss has some sort of deal with Tennessee like Arkansas has with Texas because of their giant alumni base in West Tennessee (specifically Memphis). Ole Miss has always dominated Metro Memphis baseball recruiting. The Pomeranz brothers, Zack Cozart, etc.
This post was edited on 5/27/21 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
You have to think that with the ability to earn money off of your name, we may be able to compete a bit more. Right?
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:04 pm to FWBFLlaw
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You have to think that with the ability to earn money off of your name, we may be able to compete a bit more. Right?
I'm not sure that's going to do much in college baseball - or any sport outside of basketball/football, for that matter.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Unless something has changed Ole Miss used to give out out of state tuition waivers to pretty much anyone who was a reasonably decent student.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:20 pm to Robot Santa
Yeah, I asked a friend. He has a son that played at Niceville which is a big time program. He mentioned they have academic scholarships that help as well. Sounds like Bianco works the scholarships like Saban.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:29 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm not sure that's going to do much in college baseball - or any sport outside of basketball/football, for that matter.
IDK about that . Was listening g to talk radio the other day and they mentioned a WBB player who had over a million followers on Instagram and even mentioned Montana Fouts as people who could make money especially in areas that like certain sports like Fouts. Obviously those two sports will mostly dominate it but I don’t think k it will affect as many as people think .. on a related note , Goff has to be one of the worst hires in UA history regardless of sport. The man didn’t even try . No plan for running a program
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:42 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Though Mississippi will soon have a lottery.
We already have the lottery but dont have a program in place yet to pay for students education as of right now
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:45 pm to Bear88
That was the point. My understanding is that it’s in the works. Which now makes it even more infuriating that Alabama continues to vote it down. All border states have one or will have one in the future.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:47 pm to CapstoneGrad06
I haven’t heard that but you are probably right. We will screw it up probably in Mississippi . I don’t trust Reeves as far as I can throw him especially with education
I had heard a certain amount would go to education and Infrastructure but haven’t heard anything like the TOPS program in Louisiana
I had heard a certain amount would go to education and Infrastructure but haven’t heard anything like the TOPS program in Louisiana
This post was edited on 5/27/21 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:49 pm to Bear88
Some State and Ole Miss fans were mentioning it.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:I have NO problem with your assessment, especially the statement you made about the team's yearly improvement.
I'm very happy with Bo
Alabama is the college baseball version of the Rays or Marlins. We're at a significant disadvantage. And on top of that he took over an absolute dumpster fire.
We need to make the tournament next year but we've been better every season than we were the one before. We lost our 2 best pitchers for the entirety of SEC play, including the top LHP in the 2022 draft, and we are either in the NCAAT or the 1st team out.
The one thing that we must acknowledge is that our talent isn't on par with the top half of the league, and as long as that's the case we're gonna be relegated to middle-of-the-road status.
This post was edited on 5/27/21 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:53 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Gotcha . Ivey been signing a lot of progressive stuff lately for her 
This post was edited on 5/27/21 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 5/27/21 at 8:57 pm to Bear88
Reeves may look like a slug, but he's done some pretty good things for the state of Mississippi.
I never thought I'd see the day when the state ended the year on a surplus, let alone sit on a nest egg over a $1 billion.
I'd still probably punch him in the face though. It's so hittable.
I never thought I'd see the day when the state ended the year on a surplus, let alone sit on a nest egg over a $1 billion.
I'd still probably punch him in the face though. It's so hittable.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 9:03 pm to TideSaint
He wants to be DT so bad. If he would just stay off Twitter and STFU it would make his Peter Griffin face a little more likable... a little
And I voted for him
And I voted for him
This post was edited on 5/27/21 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 5/27/21 at 9:13 pm to Bear88
you live in mississippi?
Posted on 5/27/21 at 9:17 pm to Kashmir
Yes . Columbus area
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