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re: Are some fans maybe being too hard on Milroe?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:29 pm to CrimsonFever
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:29 pm to CrimsonFever
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We gave up almost a sack and a half more per game this year than in 2021.
And threw the ball almost 250 fewer times
2021: 571
2023: 325
Tom Brady doesn’t make this a great offensive line. Nor would the 2012 Bama offensive line make Milroe a great QB. WR was the only offensive group that was National Championship caliber
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 10:35 pm
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:37 pm to Glorious
We allowed a sack every 13.9 pass plays in 2021
(41 sacks 571 pass attempts)
We allowed a sack every 6.63 pass plays this year (49 sacks 325 pass attempts)
So our pass blocking was over two times worse this season in sacks allowed.
(41 sacks 571 pass attempts)
We allowed a sack every 6.63 pass plays this year (49 sacks 325 pass attempts)
So our pass blocking was over two times worse this season in sacks allowed.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:37 pm to CrimsonFever
The issue is more what drove that stat line. You watch the tape and we’ve got a dozen 2-3 yard passes that go for nothing because we throw exactly into the Tampa 2 Michigan is playing. They played a single safety and dared us to pass and we couldn’t respond
If you want to compare stat lines, these are what other QB’s pulled off against them. And keep in mind half of these teams don’t have even comparable talent on offense or are playing behind
Georgia
Ken Seals (Vanderbilt): 19/29 201 yards, 2 TD’s 1 int
Devin Leary (Kentucky): 10/26 128, 2 TD’s
Graham Mertz (Florida): 25/34 230, 2 TD’s
Brady Cook (Mizzou): 14/30 212, 1 TD/2 Ints
Jaxson Dart (OM): 10/17 112 0/1
Haynes King (GT): 11-20, 158, 0/0 but 2 TD’s on the ground
Joe Milton (Tenn): 17/30 147, 0/0
Milroe: 13/23 192, 2/0
We’re getting outgunned on offense by Florida’s dumpster fire, which is painful
Michigan
Wimsatt (Rutgers): 11/21 180, 1/1
Heinrich Haarberg (Nebraska): 14/25 199, 0/1
Deacon Hill (Iowa) 18/32, 120 0/0
McCord (OSU): 24/30 271, 2/2
Taulia: 21/31 247, 0/2
Drew Allar (PSU): 10/26 70, 1/0
Milroe: 17/23, 116, 0/0
He didn’t have any interceptions, but he was given a zone with plenty of pockets and couldn’t throw with anticipation or between them. All of the other guys here were trying to make throws and you’ve got Milroe unable to even try in the first place.
I’m not going to bother going through sacks but I’m pretty sure the other thread pointed out the glaring result of him holding the ball so long/pocket movement being subpar
If you want to compare stat lines, these are what other QB’s pulled off against them. And keep in mind half of these teams don’t have even comparable talent on offense or are playing behind
Georgia
Ken Seals (Vanderbilt): 19/29 201 yards, 2 TD’s 1 int
Devin Leary (Kentucky): 10/26 128, 2 TD’s
Graham Mertz (Florida): 25/34 230, 2 TD’s
Brady Cook (Mizzou): 14/30 212, 1 TD/2 Ints
Jaxson Dart (OM): 10/17 112 0/1
Haynes King (GT): 11-20, 158, 0/0 but 2 TD’s on the ground
Joe Milton (Tenn): 17/30 147, 0/0
Milroe: 13/23 192, 2/0
We’re getting outgunned on offense by Florida’s dumpster fire, which is painful
Michigan
Wimsatt (Rutgers): 11/21 180, 1/1
Heinrich Haarberg (Nebraska): 14/25 199, 0/1
Deacon Hill (Iowa) 18/32, 120 0/0
McCord (OSU): 24/30 271, 2/2
Taulia: 21/31 247, 0/2
Drew Allar (PSU): 10/26 70, 1/0
Milroe: 17/23, 116, 0/0
He didn’t have any interceptions, but he was given a zone with plenty of pockets and couldn’t throw with anticipation or between them. All of the other guys here were trying to make throws and you’ve got Milroe unable to even try in the first place.
I’m not going to bother going through sacks but I’m pretty sure the other thread pointed out the glaring result of him holding the ball so long/pocket movement being subpar
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:39 pm to UhOhOreo
Dude, there is no point arguing with this guy. His whole purpose with this thread was to stir the pot.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:40 pm to Glorious
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Tom Brady
With Tampa one year Tom Brady was getting the ball out at nearly 2 seconds flat.
He barely needed an Oline.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:41 pm to UhOhOreo
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Deacon Hill (Iowa) 18/32, 120 0/0
Milroe: 17/23, 116, 0/0
Wow, Iowa has the worst offense in the P5 and has for years.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:41 pm to CrimsonFever
If your QB refuses to run, can’t find an open target, and doesn’t throw the ball away you get a record number of sacks. This was the problem more than anything else.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:42 pm to CrimsonFever
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All tds count last I checked. He was our best passer and best runner, and a big reason we beat Georgia and made the playoffs
Never said they didn’t man. Not sure why you are being defensive. The question was asked and people are responding with why they disagree with the idea that Milroe is being unfairly criticized. Football talk is what this board is for. Not everything is a gotcha or attack.
I’m not sure JM was really our best runner outside of the LSU game. He did get a lot of the rushing TDs, but that just took some away from our RBs. His stats are a little negatively skewed because of sacks, but I’d argue that is at least partially his own fault as he didn’t display the escapability that a lot of us were hoping for and his pocket awareness led him right into defenders a lot. He averaged 3.3 ypc. The offense ended the season with three consecutive games in the 20s. Two of those were good defenses, but one had just lost to New Mexico State by 21.
If you look at the SEC opponents + UTx and UM, we scored more than thirty in 4/11 games (UT, MSU, UK, and LSU), averaging just over 30 pts a game. That includes any non-offensive scores. Not putting that all on JM, as the OL and OC definitely deserve their fair share.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:47 pm to CrimsonFever
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We allowed a sack every 13.9 pass plays in 2021
(41 sacks 571 pass attempts)
We allowed a sack every 6.63 pass plays this year (49 sacks 325 pass attempts)
So our pass blocking was over two times worse this season in sacks allowed.
Fever, bro, you are hurting your own argument with these stats.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:49 pm to CrimsonFever
There are ppl who are too harsh but there are others in the opposite direction.
I like Milroe and thought he was indeed our best option this year but his play still wasn’t great. Solid but not great. If another QB on our roster takes a major step forward in their progression and Milroe doesn’t improve then we shouldn’t have to settle. It’s hard to make that call as a HC…especially when it’s still good enough to win games.
Milroe can get better, though. He has experience that the other QBs don’t on our roster. That is huge.
I’d love for Milroe to get with a private QB coach in the offseason and completely rework his throwing mechanics. He looks so awkward at times. Even when running and trying to juke a defender he looks awkward. Gotta tighten it all up.
He’s all arm. Doesn’t use his lower body a lot of the time when throwing from the pocket. Even the 4th and 31 pass his ball was wobbly af. It was still right on the money somehow.
He has the skill set to be amazing. I want to see him really put it all together next year. Cant be the same guy from this past season even though he did a lot of good for us. Need better.
I like Milroe and thought he was indeed our best option this year but his play still wasn’t great. Solid but not great. If another QB on our roster takes a major step forward in their progression and Milroe doesn’t improve then we shouldn’t have to settle. It’s hard to make that call as a HC…especially when it’s still good enough to win games.
Milroe can get better, though. He has experience that the other QBs don’t on our roster. That is huge.
I’d love for Milroe to get with a private QB coach in the offseason and completely rework his throwing mechanics. He looks so awkward at times. Even when running and trying to juke a defender he looks awkward. Gotta tighten it all up.
He’s all arm. Doesn’t use his lower body a lot of the time when throwing from the pocket. Even the 4th and 31 pass his ball was wobbly af. It was still right on the money somehow.
He has the skill set to be amazing. I want to see him really put it all together next year. Cant be the same guy from this past season even though he did a lot of good for us. Need better.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:51 pm to Crimson K
I’m not being defensive I’m being reasonable.
Milroe statistically was a top 15 Qb this year.
Our o line was 129th out of 133 teams in sacks allowed.
It’s clear what the problem was.
Milroe statistically was a top 15 Qb this year.
Our o line was 129th out of 133 teams in sacks allowed.
It’s clear what the problem was.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:53 pm to EGO3x
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He has the skill set to be amazing. I want to see him really put it all together next year. Cant be the same guy from last year still even though he did a lot of good for us. Need better
This is where I am too. Some get too high or low based on one game outcome. JM seems like a hard worker, but I have my doubts about his ability to overcome his deficiencies. I hope like hell he proves me and all the doubters wrong. If he has the same obvious issues next year, I hope someone can unseat him.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:54 pm to EGO3x
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There are ppl who are too harsh but there are others in the opposite direction.
I like Milroe and thought he was indeed our best option this year but his play still wasn’t great. Solid but not great. If another QB on our roster takes a major step forward in their progression and Milroe doesn’t improve then we shouldn’t have to settle.
Better than I ever could have put it
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:54 pm to CrimsonFever
Line didn’t change much from 2022 to 2023
The biggest change was young -> milroe
The biggest change was young -> milroe
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:56 pm to CrimsonFever
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Our o line was 129th out of 133 teams in sacks allowed.
Yes but you see literally all of them were on the QB
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:58 pm to EGO3x
This is all true. I hope that Simpson continues to improve because he has a higher ceiling as a quarterback. It’s only a matter of time before he takes the starting job.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:58 pm to UhOhOreo
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[quote]The issue is more what drove that stat line. You watch the tape and we’ve got a dozen 2-3 yard passes that go for nothing because we throw exactly into the Tampa 2 Michigan is playing.
Great post.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:05 pm to Glorious
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Yes but you see literally all of them were on the QB
49 sacks? More like 49 missed checkdowns.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:08 pm to CrimsonFever
Yes, our fanbase and our offensive coordinator want Milroe to be an NFL type pocket passer. He’s basically a square peg in a round hole in our offense. Put Milroe in an Urban Meyer/Gus Malzahn type of offense and he’d be pretty much unstoppable. I expected Reese to eventually move to that type of offense as the season went on and although we saw flashes, it never really happened.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:10 pm to EGO3x
The issue is more than mechanics. The issue is Milroe just doesn’t get the mental side of the game for whatever reason. He’s not going to learn how to make pre snap reads/adjustments, anticipate throws, read disguised coverages, etc. in an offseason.
Jacob Coker was a guy with a lengthy windup and choppy footwork. He was playing behind a line that gave up 2 yards before contact on every Henry run. He was slow in the pocket. But he could make line adjustments, he could take what the defense gave him, he could make the same throws Milroe could and the ones he doesn’t see.
If you swap Milroe with Coker that year, Clemson’s defense would’ve eaten us alive. OJ Howard would’ve had 30 yards at best even with Kiffin
Jacob Coker was a guy with a lengthy windup and choppy footwork. He was playing behind a line that gave up 2 yards before contact on every Henry run. He was slow in the pocket. But he could make line adjustments, he could take what the defense gave him, he could make the same throws Milroe could and the ones he doesn’t see.
If you swap Milroe with Coker that year, Clemson’s defense would’ve eaten us alive. OJ Howard would’ve had 30 yards at best even with Kiffin
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