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Alabama's style of offense can be elite but it has some horrible lows

Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:06 pm
Posted by Kcstills17
Member since Nov 2017
10066 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:06 pm
I'm not gonna sit here and say the offense is garbage. But this and some other examples have shown that if the opposition has a strong front court and bama isn't hitting the offense does become absolute garbage. Can oats change it in some way? Because there was nothing happening tonight. Even when we had some runs they were pretty consistently off of turnovers or offensive rebounds. In a tournament where you have to win 6 games it's just far too prone to bad games the way it is
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23709 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:17 pm to
They have not shot the ball well in the latter part of the season and this game topped any of those games.

I could shoot 3=27 from three.It wasn't the defense they got some good looks, they just flat could not make shots.

Make a decent percentage, we win. Something happened and the shooting went away.

Posted by BFANLC
The Beach
Member since Oct 2007
18116 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:21 pm to
60-70% of our 3 pointer attempts were good looks. We couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

Sdst has a ton of bodies that they throw at you. They don't care if they foul because they got another body behind them. As long as they get the calls they get tonight they will continue to win.
Posted by bbeck
Member since Dec 2011
14550 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:22 pm to
A lot to say but SDSU defense is the story here.

Made Bama really uncomfortable all night. Physically controlled the game. Felt like they owned the 50/50 balls.

Hard to stomach any loss, especially this part of the year but Bama had a great season. Most enjoyable one I can remember for me.

We just ran into a better team on this night. Better luck next season.
Posted by RMD
Member since Jul 2022
547 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:28 pm to
Quinerly did some fantastic things for us to end the season but that game he got absolutely abused. Embarrassed. That’s the type of game where you have to rethink your entire life afterwards.

Awful
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:31 pm to
Oats had better find some shooters in the portal.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
35863 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 9:34 pm to
I was going to post something similar, but I'll just add to yours.

I just don't know if Oats philosophy of 3s and shots at the rim only is every going to succeed at the big stage.


It works for teams that aren't great defensively. But when you come up against a team like tonight it just has issues.

You've basically told the other team you're only going to shoot it from the rim or the perimeter and that's all they need to protect.

It would be like saying you're only going to throw Hell Mary's or run the ball in football. So there's no need to defend the middle of the field.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 12:34 am
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22375 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 10:51 pm to
The offense didn’t give up 32 points in the last 11:30 to a bad offensive opponent. We opened up that nine point lead while not playing well offensively and it should’ve been lights out but all of a sudden our elite defense turned into trash.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20750 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 11:18 pm to
So I guess this is why Oats makes millions to coach basketball and I don’t. I’m sure at a certain point you have just dance with the girl you brought. If the system was good enough to win 30 games, then why start implementing new schemes? At the same time, I don’t know if living and dying by the 3 is a recipe for a deep run.

It’s like watching a HUNH offense that struggles to run out the clock or punch it at the one when they’re in shotgun.
Posted by Kcstills17
Member since Nov 2017
10066 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 11:25 pm to
Having JQ guard 12 was really weird to me. He was their only threat to score. Why not have a wing with length guard him? He literally didn't have one bucket I recall where he drove. All jumpshots
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22375 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 11:30 pm to
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I don’t know if living and dying by the 3 is a recipe for a deep run.


We made 34% of our 3 point shots this season. That isn’t good. We aren’t a “live and die” by the 3 team. We wouldn’t have had our best season ever if we were relying on the 3 and shooting it at 34%. Shooting 3s is part of the analytical system offensively (we are top 10 in ppg despite not being a good 3 point shooting team), that when combined with an elite defense leads to great seasons. Our defense is the easiest thing to control, and that’s what abandoned us tonight. Still, to question the offensive system while thinking it is “live and die” by the 3 is absolutely ignorant.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 12:02 am
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22375 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 11:33 pm to
quote:

Having JQ guard 12 was really weird to me. He was their only threat to score. Why not have a wing with length guard him? He literally didn't have one bucket I recall where he drove. All jumpshots


There was probably an adjustment to make, but at the same time having a mid-major take a bunch of mid-range jumpers usually isn’t a bad thing. That guy got hot and that’s how the tournament goes, a good defensive team and one hot hand has ended many highly ranked teams’ runs.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20750 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 12:18 am to
quote:

We made 34% of our 3 point shots this season. That isn’t good. We aren’t a “live and die” by the 3 team. We wouldn’t have had our best season ever if we were relying on the 3 and shooting it at 34%. Shooting 3s is part of the analytical system offensively (we are top 10 in ppg despite not being a good 3 point shooting team), that when combined with an elite defense leads to great seasons. Our defense is the easiest thing to control, and that’s what abandoned us tonight. Still, to question the offensive system while thinking it is “live and die” by the 3 is absolutely ignorant.


All fair points….
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22375 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 12:26 am to
Sorry if that came off aggressively, I’m as frustrated as everybody else is tonight
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
35863 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 12:42 am to
I don't think it's live and die by the 3. But I think it is the philosophy of if the three isn't open you should be able to drive to the rim and either score or draw the defense to be able to kick it out for a reasonably uncontested 3.


SDSU took away both tonight. We couldn't kick it out and too many drives to the rim ended in blocked shots.


Granted if sears, miller, etc hit some of the threes they missed we would have won that game. But I didn't see them getting good looks tonight like we normally do that they hit.


But what do I know, I'm a football guy,


One thing is for sure, defenesively aggressive teams give us problems.

I hate it ended, but I have enjoyed getting back into being a basketball fan these last three years.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 12:43 am
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22375 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 12:53 am to
quote:

defenesively aggressive teams give us problems.


Absolutely right. Those teams give everybody problems in college basketball. Sad thing is we were one of those great, aggressive defenses which is why we were so good, until we weren’t tonight. And you are correct that we just needed one guy to knock down a shot or two to ease the tension, but nobody could. Sears and especially Griffin missed some great looks. I didn’t really mind Miller forcing some late, if others weren’t going to hit them might as well go down with your alpha shooting them.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16493 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 5:08 am to
JQ late was not even looking to kick it out. He had around 6 blocked at the rim. I think he made one layup in the last 7-8 min. And the fact he was not benched tells me Oats was ok with this style of O
Posted by bamabaum
Montgomery, AL
Member since Jul 2014
1220 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:21 am to
Turnovers with a 9 point lead was the back breaker. We had Miller running the point and we just had a few unforced turnovers that done us in.
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
16493 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 6:41 am to
9 points and 6 turnovers by BM
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23709 posts
Posted on 3/25/23 at 5:39 pm to
Make our season average jacking up 27 threes thats 9 makes. We win. Going away.
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