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Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:51 pm to Robot Santa
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:51 pm to Robot Santa
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If you want a prime example of why America is struggling so much with this compared to the rest of the developed world, check out that shitshow from West Palm Beach the other day. Florida Man and Florida Woman threatening to arrest the city council for following the laws of Satan and basically arguing that their Facebook research makes them more qualified than a medical doctor. Just profoundly stupid, batshit crazy people who will never, ever comply with any efforts at mitigation.
And there are a lot more people like that in this country than many people realize. I had to go to a family function this past weekend(outside) and the comments several family members made were so insanely stupid and ignorant we left early.
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:07 pm to The Spleen
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And there are a lot more people like that in this country than many people realize. I had to go to a family function this past weekend(outside) and the comments several family members made were so insanely stupid and ignorant we left early.
I just picked up some food from Arby's via takeout. Ole Baw in front of me had to be in his 80s and he wasn't wearing a mask. I was.
What good is wearing a mask if the audience we are trying to protect just doesn't give a shite?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:12 pm to phil4bama
Just poking around the Florida COVID sites and a couple of interesting things pop up.
Over the last few days, Florida has tested almost twice as many people a day as they were testing only a week ago. Is that because of more people presenting with symptoms or more people just deciding to get tested?
Positive cases are up but daily hospitalizations and deaths statewide don't appear to be up much if at all over where they were two months ago. Is that a sign the virus is getting weaker as some experts are suggesting or just hitting more young people who don't get as sick from it?
The hospitalizations number is intriguing because that's what's happening here too. Daily new positive cases reported are 4 times higher than what they were 2 months ago but the daily number hospitalized is up less than 30% (about 150 people).
Again, don't know what if anything that means except that the rate of hospitalization per positive test is way, way down.
Over the last few days, Florida has tested almost twice as many people a day as they were testing only a week ago. Is that because of more people presenting with symptoms or more people just deciding to get tested?
Positive cases are up but daily hospitalizations and deaths statewide don't appear to be up much if at all over where they were two months ago. Is that a sign the virus is getting weaker as some experts are suggesting or just hitting more young people who don't get as sick from it?
The hospitalizations number is intriguing because that's what's happening here too. Daily new positive cases reported are 4 times higher than what they were 2 months ago but the daily number hospitalized is up less than 30% (about 150 people).
Again, don't know what if anything that means except that the rate of hospitalization per positive test is way, way down.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:56 pm to JustGetItRight
It would definitely seem to support the theory that a lot of younger people are spreading it among themselves rapidly.
The concern is avoiding what seems to have happened in NY where it surged through the younger "out and about" crowd weeks before the crisis point.
NY's huge surge was in early March (based on the data from antibody tests + charting those positive cases experiencing symptoms etc) but it was early to mid April when the hospitalizations / deaths really started to rise.
I hope that the virus has weakened but it may still be 2 or so weeks to early to see the fuller effect.
The concern is avoiding what seems to have happened in NY where it surged through the younger "out and about" crowd weeks before the crisis point.
NY's huge surge was in early March (based on the data from antibody tests + charting those positive cases experiencing symptoms etc) but it was early to mid April when the hospitalizations / deaths really started to rise.
I hope that the virus has weakened but it may still be 2 or so weeks to early to see the fuller effect.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:58 pm to JustGetItRight
Jefferson County’s unelected health czar is requiring people to wear a mask inside public places in Jefferson County. Ordinance goes into effect at 5pm Monday.
WBRC Fox 6 News
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Jefferson County Health Officer Dr. Mark Wilson said he has signed a face covering ordinance for all of Jefferson County starting at 5:00 p.m. Monday, June 29.
The ordinance applies to general public indoor spaces and ride sharing.
The order will remain in place until Dr. Wilson feels it’s safe enough to remove the order.
Places of worship may use their own discretion.
WBRC Fox 6 News
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:44 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
No need to wear a mask unless you're sick. Wear a mask.
Asymptomatic people can give it to others. Asymptomatic transmission is rare.
Don't touch surfaces. Transmission from surfaces doesn't happen as much as we originally thought.
I realize we are parsing data on the fly, but this whole thing has been such a cluster.
Asymptomatic people can give it to others. Asymptomatic transmission is rare.
Don't touch surfaces. Transmission from surfaces doesn't happen as much as we originally thought.
I realize we are parsing data on the fly, but this whole thing has been such a cluster.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:48 pm to The Spleen
Pensacola just announced a mask requirement as well for indoor businesses. Americans are so ate up with fear it really is pathetic.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:57 pm to Dubosed
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Americans are so ate up with fear
I'm not "ate up with fear," I'm just frustrated at the inconsistent messages.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 3:05 pm to paperwasp
The messaging has been inconsistent because a) this whole situation turned into a political football within like a week, and b) it's a novel virus so even the people with decades of experience in the fields of virology and epidemiology don't fully understand how it operates and are constantly changing their position because of new research. That's unfortunately just how science tends to work, but with something brand new like this the changes in knowledge come about much more frequently.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 3:18 pm to paperwasp
Anecdotally, I would say definitely more young people spread. Bay county still has few enough cases that the county health officer reports them individually daily. Yesterday was a record day with 39 cases. Set aside the newest nursing home outbreak that accounts for 25 of those. Most of the rest were below 50, a couple were teenagers.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 3:20 pm to Robot Santa
Riots had no affect. I mean protests. Also explain California. One of the first to shutdown.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 5:12 pm to Crimsonians
In NC Raleigh is a little more strict then the state now. The state requirement effective today at 5pm is:
The Gov. said police are not allowed under his to write a citation to an individual but will to any business that does not enforce the law of their employees and/or customers. They are required to refuse entry and if so decide can make other accommodations if necessary for those unable to wear a mask.
The issue though is if a business refuses entry to a employee and/or customer that person can be arrested for trespassing.
It will be interesting to see on Monday how this all worked out.
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People must wear face coverings when in public places, indoors or outdoors, where physical distancing of 6 feet from other people who aren’t in the same household or residence isn’t possible.
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Face coverings will be required for all employees and customers of retail businesses and restaurants as well as workers in manufacturing, construction, meat processing and agriculture settings.
The Gov. said police are not allowed under his to write a citation to an individual but will to any business that does not enforce the law of their employees and/or customers. They are required to refuse entry and if so decide can make other accommodations if necessary for those unable to wear a mask.
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under this Executive Order, face coverings are required in many types of businesses, but businesses have the discretion to accommodate people who cannot wear face coverings by serving them at curbside, using home delivery, or using other means to protect against the spread of COVID-19;
The issue though is if a business refuses entry to a employee and/or customer that person can be arrested for trespassing.
It will be interesting to see on Monday how this all worked out.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:57 pm to TideWarrior
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Florida is shutting down bars in an effort to slow the spread of coronavirus, after the state reported a single-day record of new infections.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:37 pm to The Spleen
If it makes you feel better these folks can vote. 
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:53 am to paperwasp
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No need to wear a mask unless you're sick. Wear a mask.
Asymptomatic people can give it to others. Asymptomatic transmission is rare.
Don't touch surfaces. Transmission from surfaces doesn't happen as much as we originally thought.
I realize we are parsing data on the fly, but this whole thing has been such a cluster.
You have thinking ability. It's your health, your family, you make the call.
There's a novel idea.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 4:07 pm to paperwasp
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No need to wear a mask unless you're sick. Wear a mask.
Asymptomatic people can give it to others. Asymptomatic transmission is rare.
Don't touch surfaces. Transmission from surfaces doesn't happen as much as we originally thought.
I realize we are parsing data on the fly, but this whole thing has been such a cluster.
Med community will always lean toward being over-safe until they learn new information. I don't mind that aspect.
They walked back the asymptomatic report from WHO/overseas but I think that needs more study. If true, this could be a huge breakthrough in getting things back to normal
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:08 pm to stomp
We had bars here open up in Raleigh last night even they were not allowed to. It will be interesting to see what the DA does on Monday.
What bothers me most is the lack of logic.
First to be in compliance you are to refuse indoor service and provide goods or services to the people outside as to accommodate.
Second the waiver provides the business liability coverage but does not prevent the spread.
Out of all this information that has come out and continues to change, the one constant though has been you where a mask to protect others. Why so many people fail to understand this is beyond me.
What bothers me most is the lack of logic.
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Local News Even with 60,000 COVID-19 cases, enforcing mask mandate is challenging Posted June 27, 2020 6:39 p.m. EDT Updated June 27, 2020 6:40 p.m. EDT AddThis Sharing Buttons Share to Facebook Share to TwitterShare to LinkedInShare to EmailShare to More By Aaron Thomas, WRAL reporter Raleigh, N.C. — Officials have confirmed that North Carolina has over 60,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 statewide. With more than 1,700 cases newly confirmed in the past 24 hours, and a total of 1,353 deaths and 888 people hospitalized, a statewide mask requirement started Friday night to try and limit how high those numbers will go. But some people are still choosing not to wear them. For multiple weekends, crowds have flocked – without masks or social distancing – to the businesses around Glenwood South. The business owners there have faced their share of challenges with trying to encourage customers to follow the mandate. If you walk through Glenwood South, you’ll see signs reminding people to keep their distance and that masks are required before walking in any of this businesses. Some owners are even handing masks out to make sure customers follow the law. ADVERTISING Signs that read ‘Masks Are Required’ are posted at the Dogwood Bar and Eatery. General Manager David Ballance said the business will only allow people inside who are wearing masks. Anyone who refuses to wear masks because of religious or medical reasons can enter, but must sign a waiver.
"We want to be in compliance with the city and the governor. If you’re part of a protected group, we have you sign a waiver, and it makes sure all of our bases are covered," he said.
First to be in compliance you are to refuse indoor service and provide goods or services to the people outside as to accommodate.
Second the waiver provides the business liability coverage but does not prevent the spread.
Out of all this information that has come out and continues to change, the one constant though has been you where a mask to protect others. Why so many people fail to understand this is beyond me.
Posted on 6/27/20 at 7:19 pm to TideWarrior
Yeah, it's such a simple premise that the mask is to protect others in case the mask wearer is pre-symptomatic or non-symptomatic.
I have to believe many people are just pretending to not understand that.
But, yes, a waiver for the person without the mask is doubly absurd.
The people who would even need to sign a waiver would be all the other people around the person without the mask.
I have to believe many people are just pretending to not understand that.
But, yes, a waiver for the person without the mask is doubly absurd.
The people who would even need to sign a waiver would be all the other people around the person without the mask.
This post was edited on 6/27/20 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 6/27/20 at 7:57 pm to stomp
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They walked back the asymptomatic report from WHO/overseas but I think that needs more study. If true, this could be a huge breakthrough in getting things back to normal
Unfortunately, the overwhelming evidence is that pre-symptomatic and non- or very lightly symptomatic people have been traced convincingly to countless outbreaks (February case of the Chinese traveler in German that caused outbreak in a motorworks plant and didn't get symptoms until days later that really begin the theory of asymptomatic carriers, lawyer in New Rochelle NY, ski event in Idaho, funeral in Albany Ga, etc).
Certainly agree that more study is needed (an for all aspects of this). However, it would seem that pre- or non-symptomatic spread being less of an issue may only happen if the virus begins to mutate.
One growing concern is the US government putting all their funding weight behind a vaccine to the detriment of studies regarding better treatment methods.
I still think better treatment methods to continue to reduce the worst cases is what will more likely get things back on track more quickly.
There will need to be different methods since Covid seems to have a wide range of effects on different people (like some needing immune system boosters whereas others need immune system depressants etc etc).
Posted on 6/27/20 at 10:46 pm to wm72
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