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re: Alabama Basketball Recruiting and Offseason Talk

Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:08 am to
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:08 am to
I think it's really an issue of plausible deniability. Was Michael Porter Sr. hired to secure the signatures of his sons? Absolutely. Would he have been hired if his kids were a couple of mid-major caliber 3*s? Hell no. He did have coaching experience though. He wasn't the most qualified man for the job, but he did meet the minimum qualifications, and it was a legitimate position. He was on the sidelines assisting with coaching the team. To me that's a very different situation than giving a family member a no-show job or hiring a high school dropout to be an "athletic trainer" or "consultant" or some nonsense like that.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:36 am to
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I think it's really an issue of plausible deniability. Was Michael Porter Sr. hired to secure the signatures of his sons? Absolutely. Would he have been hired if his kids were a couple of mid-major caliber 3*s? Hell no. He did have coaching experience though. He wasn't the most qualified man for the job, but he did meet the minimum qualifications, and it was a legitimate position


So if a recruit's dad worked as a manager of a local gas station, can we hire him for a position of management and pay him a ridiculous amount of money to do it? I may own a fireworks shop, but if I'm suddenly hired to be a leader at NASA, something's off

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To me that's a very different situation than giving a family member a no-show job or hiring a high school dropout to be an "athletic trainer" or "consultant" or some nonsense like that.


I mean if it's a no-show job that's one thing, but if it's a job where he has to show up and work that's another. Geico offers high-school dropouts that kind of money starting out.

I'm not saying either is right, but neither people are qualified (Jordan's we don't know, but can assume) and one of the family member's is being paid 300k and one 35k. Which benefit seems more impermissible?
This post was edited on 10/5/18 at 9:45 am
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:45 am to
I'm just saying there's a lot of gray area. I mean, if Sexton's brother was being hired to work as a salesman at Booster's Honda of Birmingham and was doing legitimate work then I don't really have a big problem with it. The thing with the Porters is definitely shadier because of the amount of money involved, and I think it's an issue the NCAA needs to address beyond "can't recruit kids from that highschool for X years", but Mizzou can definitely argue that he played 4 years of college ball and had coaching experience at the college level. It's not like he was some deadbeat who hadn't had a job in 6 years suddenly finding his way onto a power conference coaching staff.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 12:39 pm to
So the real key thing with the Porters is that Porter SR was hired to a staff coaching job. For football for example, you can hire someone associated with a recruit to staff but you cannot hire them to other positions.


My guess is that the NCAA views staff coaching positions more valuable than any specific recruit.


Also

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He coached at Washington for one year in order for them to secure MPJ,


Lorenzo Romar is also MPJ's godfather and long time connection of Porter Sr. It wouldn't be absurd to argue Romar would have hired him to give him a shot even if his sons weren't recruits


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then by Mizzou


He also has extensive history and connections at Mizzou.











Clearly it is shady AF and Cuonzo buying recruits, but staff coaching hires are harder to judge than "Agent giving recruit brother a guaranteed 4 year job + raises"
This post was edited on 10/5/18 at 12:47 pm
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 12:47 pm to
Not in football, but in basketball it definitely can be. Imagine if LeBron was a HS senior today. If he signs with you you're practically guaranteed a Final Four. That's worth using a spot on your coaching staff for his HS or AAU coach.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 1:00 pm to
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Lorenzo Romar is also MPJ's godfather and long time connection of Porter Sr. It wouldn't be absurd to argue Romar would have hired him to give him a shot even if his sons weren't recruits


To me that makes it even more shady. He could have hired Porter at any point, but they chose to do so at a point where his son was at the very least a lock for top 3 prospect in the class. Sure Romar possibly wanted to hire his friend for the longest time (a lot of coaches probably do), but it was only an acceptable hire because of his son's status and what that meant Washington would be getting in a year's time. That is the only reason it happened. No MPJ, no MPS hire.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 3:53 pm to
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Imagine if LeBron was a HS senior today. If he signs with you you're practically guaranteed a Final Four.

It isn't even close to being guaranteed. You have to remember Lebron wasn't nearly the player at 18 as he is today. On top of that, a single FR rarely carries a team that wasn't already stacked


Look at Nat'l POY Kevin Durant played with two other RD1 picks and was only a #4 seed, RD2 loser

or

Ben Simmons was #1 recruit, #1 pick and didn't even make the NCAAT.



Posted by Tide or Die87
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 4:39 pm to
I disagree. Lebron was far more advanced than any of those guys were. By the end of his freshman year he wouldve dominated everyone on a college court.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37810 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 6:48 pm to
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disagree. Lebron was far more advanced than any of those guys were. By the end of his freshman year he wouldve dominated everyone on a college court.



I agree he would be dominant, just not he would guarantee a final four. Kevin Durant was the natl player of the year and that didn't crack the top 15 / Sweet16

My point though was more that For every other non LeBron recruit, sacrificing a staff coach position to someone incompetent for multiple years wouldn't be worth it
This post was edited on 10/5/18 at 6:51 pm
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 8:46 pm to
Travis Reier post on BOL:

“Timme next weekend. Can’t say they don’t roll out the red carpet either.”
Posted by My2Bits
2500 mi from Tuscaloosa due west
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 10/5/18 at 9:49 pm to
Link to Bowen Srs testimony in court. This stuff is hard to believe. Hope football is not like this.
LINK
Posted by Tide or Die87
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2012
13266 posts
Posted on 10/5/18 at 10:41 pm to
Nothing will come of it smh.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46013 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 5:19 am to
Fair point about Durant, but Simmons doesn't count. Jonny Jones would have found a way to miss the playoffs with the 96 Bulls. There are few coaches who are that incompetent. I'm just saying, a talent like LeBron who has a grown man body at 18 only comes around every so often, and had the one and done been in place when he was a high school senior I have zero doubt there are dozens of programs who'd have hired his high school or AAU coach for 3 years just to get him for 1.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46013 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 5:35 am to
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Link to Bowen Srs testimony in court. This stuff is hard to believe. Hope football is not like this.


I don't find it hard to believe at all. I think everyone knew it was bad. Maybe not quite that bad, but bad. I have a very negative opinion about AAU, but I understand that it's never going away, so I really wish the NCAA would just announce that it will no longer clear players who, at any point, attended [list of diploma mills/prep schools]. Obviously grandfather in players currently "enrolled" at them, but then give them 90 days to enroll at a legitimate school.
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:26 am to
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This stuff is hard to believe.






Literally nothing about this is hard to believe imo.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19607 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:43 am to
Just primitive capitalism rearing its head. The market says player x is worth this much and parties are willing to listen to it. What the NCAA has done in the past does nothing to curb it if you see this as a problem. Maybe if agents got blackballed by the NBA or NBA players' have to pay huge fines for what happened in ncaa then something might get done.

The one and done rule made it even worse, imo.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37810 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:17 pm to
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What the NCAA has done in the past does nothing to curb it if you see this as a problem. Maybe if agents got blackballed by the NBA


NCAA has no control over what the NBA does, their hands are tied. If the NBA got rid of the 1&Done rule, the problem wouldn't be as bad. The people worth the big $ wouldn't be available to buy


The NCAA though hasn't fixed this problem because they aren't trying to protect amateurism integrity, just the classification of players as not being employees.


Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 10/8/18 at 12:11 am to
Pro day is Wednesday
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 10/8/18 at 2:29 pm to
Trendon Watford officially visiting Alabama for the January 5th SEC opener vs Kentucky LINK
Posted by Bamafan15
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 10/8/18 at 3:28 pm to
BJ Boston on Alabama

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"Coach Avery (Johnson) is just trying to get me to the league, that's his pitch. I'm friends with Collin Sexton and he just tells me it's a good program and it's where it's at. I'll be watching John Petty this year and I know Herb Jones as well so yeah I'm familiar with their team."
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