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Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:15 am to Alabama_Fan
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:15 am to Alabama_Fan
someone with BB IQ help me understand the Oats offense. I understand pushing things but we very seldom score on any fast breaks. So the pushing things seems to lead to double digits turnovers in most games. We do score on steals out front like when Jones flamed it down.
And I see when they get into the half court offense we have a lot of one guy dribbling the ball and making things happen and then if they are stuck they will throw the ball to the outside where at least 3 and sometimes 4 are standing there. There is very little offensive movement trying to free open the shooter.
And it appears this offensive philosophy leads to a lot of games like yesterday which I see not being successful in a tournament like this where you have to win 6. The outside shots will eventually fail.
I am happy where Bama is but can anyone name a team that has advanced to the final 4 in the past 10 years with this scheme.
I know I am going to get a lot of hate shite from this.
And I see when they get into the half court offense we have a lot of one guy dribbling the ball and making things happen and then if they are stuck they will throw the ball to the outside where at least 3 and sometimes 4 are standing there. There is very little offensive movement trying to free open the shooter.
And it appears this offensive philosophy leads to a lot of games like yesterday which I see not being successful in a tournament like this where you have to win 6. The outside shots will eventually fail.
I am happy where Bama is but can anyone name a team that has advanced to the final 4 in the past 10 years with this scheme.
I know I am going to get a lot of hate shite from this.
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Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:15 am to Contra
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I wouldn't count on it as this has been several games now where he has been horrible on the offensive end. We need Primo back to try and make up for Petty's lack of offense.
To be fair, Primo just got over a 2 week period where he was just as bad as Petty.
It comes and goes with a lot of guys.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:15 am to Alabama_Fan
The article is a bit of a stretch, but with a classic Wimp-ism at the end:
When I Think Of Maryland, Three Things Stand Out (BOL)
When I Think Of Maryland, Three Things Stand Out (BOL)
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As part of the preseason schedule, Alabama played in the Maryland Invitational in College Park in December. The anticipation was that the Tide would meet the Maryland powerhouse under legendary coach Lefty Driesell.
In perusing the tournament information packet, I noticed that the officials were all from the Atlantic Coast Conference. Maryland was in the ACC in those days, so it was no surprise.
I mentioned the fact to Wimp Sanderson, one of Newton’s assistants. Wimp said, “The only thing that could be worse is if they were SEC officials.”
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:16 am to mrbroker
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someone with BB IQ help me understand the Oats offense. I understand pushing things but we very seldom score on any fast breaks. So the pushing things seems to lead to double digits turnovers in most games. We do score on steals out front like when Jones flamed it down.
And I see when they get into the half court offense we have a lot of one guy dribbling the ball and making things happen and then if they are stuck they will throw the ball to the outside where at least 3 and sometimes 4 are standing there. There is very little offensive movement trying to free open the shooter.
And it appears this offensive philosophy leads to a lot of games like yesterday which I see not being successful in a tournament like this where you have to win 6. The outside shots will eventually fail.
I am happy where Bama is but can anyone name a team that has advanced to the final 4 in the past 10 years with this scheme.
I know I am going to get a lot of hate shite from this.
I'm not gonna hate on it but I like our system and how we play. I think it's been beaten to death in other times of "struggle" in this thread and just really don't feel like getting into the nuts and bolts of it again.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
won 21 out of 25, people wondering if the system works
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:23 am to McGregor
15 teams had an eFG% of under 43% in the 1st round of the tournament
14 of them lost
The team with the WORST eFG% of the ENTIRE FIRST ROUND WON THEIR GAME - Abilene Christian
50. Purdue (42.8%) (L)
51. North Carolina (42.3%) (L)
52. Winthrop (42.2%) (L)
53. Virginia (41.7%) (L)
54. Clemson (40.7%) (L)
55. Hartford (39.8%) (L)
56. UConn (37.7%) (L)
57. UNC Greensboro (37.5%) (L)
58. Tennessee (37.3%) (L)
59. Texas Southern (36.7%) (L)
60. Drexel (36.3%) (L)
61. Norfolk State (36.3%) (L)
62. St Bonaventure (35.7%) (L)
63. Drake (34.6%) (L)
64. Abilene Christian (32.1%) (W)
14 of them lost
The team with the WORST eFG% of the ENTIRE FIRST ROUND WON THEIR GAME - Abilene Christian
50. Purdue (42.8%) (L)
51. North Carolina (42.3%) (L)
52. Winthrop (42.2%) (L)
53. Virginia (41.7%) (L)
54. Clemson (40.7%) (L)
55. Hartford (39.8%) (L)
56. UConn (37.7%) (L)
57. UNC Greensboro (37.5%) (L)
58. Tennessee (37.3%) (L)
59. Texas Southern (36.7%) (L)
60. Drexel (36.3%) (L)
61. Norfolk State (36.3%) (L)
62. St Bonaventure (35.7%) (L)
63. Drake (34.6%) (L)
64. Abilene Christian (32.1%) (W)
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 10:30 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:32 am to SummerOfGeorge
fast breaks lead to layups or open 3's much of the time. That's why we do it.
It's basketball, they don't always go in. It's as simple as that.
It's basketball, they don't always go in. It's as simple as that.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:33 am to mrbroker
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someone with BB IQ help me understand the Oats offense. I understand pushing things but we very seldom score on any fast breaks. So the pushing things seems to lead to double digits turnovers in most games. We do score on steals out front like when Jones flamed it down.
And I see when they get into the half court offense we have a lot of one guy dribbling the ball and making things happen and then if they are stuck they will throw the ball to the outside where at least 3 and sometimes 4 are standing there. There is very little offensive movement trying to free open the shooter.
And it appears this offensive philosophy leads to a lot of games like yesterday which I see not being successful in a tournament like this where you have to win 6. The outside shots will eventually fail.
I am happy where Bama is but can anyone name a team that has advanced to the final 4 in the past 10 years with this scheme.
I know I am going to get a lot of hate shite from this.
LINK ]Everything Nate Oats said after beating Iona in NCAA Tournament (BOL)
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 10:35 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:33 am to SummerOfGeorge
Hahaha. frick Texas 
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:35 am to mrbroker
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someone with BB IQ help me understand the Oats offense. I understand pushing things but we very seldom score on any fast breaks. So the pushing things seems to lead to double digits turnovers in most games. We do score on steals out front like when Jones flamed it down.
And I see when they get into the half court offense we have a lot of one guy dribbling the ball and making things happen and then if they are stuck they will throw the ball to the outside where at least 3 and sometimes 4 are standing there. There is very little offensive movement trying to free open the shooter.
And it appears this offensive philosophy leads to a lot of games like yesterday which I see not being successful in a tournament like this where you have to win 6. The outside shots will eventually fail.
I am happy where Bama is but can anyone name a team that has advanced to the final 4 in the past 10 years with this scheme.
I know I am going to get a lot of hate shite from this.
Short version-
The guys "standing around" (not accurate, but let's go with it) the 3 pt line mean that that is where all the defenders are. So, the lane is open for a driver. If the defenders collapse we kick for an open 3. If the defenders don't collapse, we have an open layup.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 11:12 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:36 am to Teague
Anybody heard anything on Primo in the last 24 hours?
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:41 am to coachcrisp
The first game today, Loyola-IL, should be a war.
Can't wait.
Can't wait.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:45 am to McGregor
Lowest amount of 3PT makes this season
1. Clemson (3-22) (L)
2. Iona (5-16) (W)
3. LSU (6-24) (W)
4. Jacksonville State (7-31) (W)
4. Stanford (7-29) (L)
4. Western Kentucky (7-26) (L)
4. @ Miss St (7-28) (W)
4. Tennessee (7-28) (W)
9. Florida (8-20) (W)
10. @ Missouri (9-25) (L)
1. Clemson (3-22) (L)
2. Iona (5-16) (W)
3. LSU (6-24) (W)
4. Jacksonville State (7-31) (W)
4. Stanford (7-29) (L)
4. Western Kentucky (7-26) (L)
4. @ Miss St (7-28) (W)
4. Tennessee (7-28) (W)
9. Florida (8-20) (W)
10. @ Missouri (9-25) (L)
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:46 am to mrbroker
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And I see when they get into the half court offense we have a lot of one guy dribbling the ball and making things happen and then if they are stuck they will throw the ball to the outside where at least 3 and sometimes 4 are standing there. There is very little offensive movement trying to free open the shooter.
Because the offense is designed to force the help from the wing to free open shooters. The offense is either layups or 3s, so either a high percentage shot, or a shot that if you hit at 30% is worth the same as hitting 50% on 2s.
its not a ball motion offense. if guys do move, its to get certain players defending certain areas, like bigs on the wing to open up driving lanes.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:49 am to VaBamaMan
Yesterday was the least amount of 3s taken in a game for us (16) all season.
Least 3s Taken
1. Iona (16)
2. @ Tennessee (20)
2. Florida (20)
2. @ Kentucky (20)
5. @ Georgia (22)
5. Clemson (22)
That was schemed by Slick Rick. Overplay out front - don't get lost on ball screens or help - take their chances at the rim, hope we miss a few easy ones. If we make a bunch of 2s, so be it, they can stick around in that kind of game. They had to play good offense and not turn it over and let us get into transition, then get into the last 5 minutes and let her rip.
They almost did it too, but they got tired and a bit sloppy and we took advantage with transition and a few timely 3s.
Least 3s Taken
1. Iona (16)
2. @ Tennessee (20)
2. Florida (20)
2. @ Kentucky (20)
5. @ Georgia (22)
5. Clemson (22)
That was schemed by Slick Rick. Overplay out front - don't get lost on ball screens or help - take their chances at the rim, hope we miss a few easy ones. If we make a bunch of 2s, so be it, they can stick around in that kind of game. They had to play good offense and not turn it over and let us get into transition, then get into the last 5 minutes and let her rip.
They almost did it too, but they got tired and a bit sloppy and we took advantage with transition and a few timely 3s.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 10:58 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
I couldn't believe Iona never got called for a moving screen...because they happened all day. That makes playing D a little harder.
They also made some shots that no D was going to stop. That teardrop off the glass was shot 3 feet over the backboard. Tip your cap.
They also made some shots that no D was going to stop. That teardrop off the glass was shot 3 feet over the backboard. Tip your cap.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:58 am to McGregor
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I couldn't believe Iona never got called for a moving screen...because they happened all day. That makes playing D a little harder.
Boy, you ain't lying. Their bigs out front were shuffling half the time.
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They also made some shots that no D was going to stop. That teardrop off the glass was shot 3 feet over the backboard. Tip your cap.
Yea they did - we defended pretty damn well yesterday. We took a few of those "oh no, upset alert" crazy shots in stride and didn't start playing crazy on defense. The 2nd half we locked them down.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:59 am to SummerOfGeorge
Texas fans on Twitter are pissed about the foul call and say it's bullshite. Sure, refs tend to let them play on the last possession. But there's no rule that fouls cannot be called in the final few seconds, they just rarely call them. That was definitely a hard foul, not some minimal body contact with straight up arms.
And now Texas have gone from wanting Shaka fired, to winning the Big 12 tournament, to being upset by a 14 from their own state.
Lol, frick Texas.
And now Texas have gone from wanting Shaka fired, to winning the Big 12 tournament, to being upset by a 14 from their own state.
Lol, frick Texas.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 11:02 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:00 am to CCTider
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Texas fans on Twitter are pissed about the foul call and say it's bull shite. Sure, refs tend to let them play on the last possession. But there's no rule that fouls cannot be called in the final few seconds, they just rarely call them. That was definitely a hard foul, not some minimal body contact with straight up arms.
It was unlucky, but it was a foul. Usually, you are in a big mass of people and it kind of gets screened - but that guy was in the open clear and the Texas guy clearly hacked down across his arm.
You aren't gonna get away with that.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
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It was unlucky, but it was a foul. Usually, you are in a big mass of people and it kind of gets screened - but that guy was in the open clear and the Texas guy clearly hacked down across his arm.
You aren't gonna get away with that
Not if the refs are doing their job.
I actually think it's even cooler, seeing a 58% FT shooter sink both for the upset. shite like that is why March madness is so great.
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