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re: Alabama Basketball Megathread | 26-7 (16-2)

Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:19 am to
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:19 am to
I'm going to be pulling pretty hard for Maryland. I don't see a single advantage to playing Uconn instead of the Terps.

And that's before even taking into account that Hurley knows Oats as well as just about anyone and the fact that Bouknight is a top 10-15 player in the country.
Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:23 am to
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Avery has us losing to Texas in the Sweet16.

WTF


If they have size inside, I would give him a 65% chance of being correct. If we struggle shooting 3s, which we have been lately, and have to go in for lay ups, I can definitely see us having a lot of shots rejected or altered. Remember UConn with Okafor in the elite 8?
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:28 am to
Think about how "big" Gary plays down low, crashing the glass, etc against other teams bigs that are 6'9", 6'10", 6'11" and then look at his height when standing next to Ellis and Primo. We all know he's only about 6'6", but seeing him stand next to those two in particular is still a little bit of a wow moment.

Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:30 am to
Yeah, I don't get it about Gary. Granted I am not really a basketball guy, but, I don't understand how a guy who is smaller can play so stinking big.
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:33 am to
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Indiana Basketball History:
National Titles: 5 Bob Knight: 3 (Others were 1940 & 1953)
Final Fours: 8 Knight: 5
Elite Eights: 11 Knight: 8
Sweet 16s: 22 Knight: 14
Big 10 RS Titles: 22 (6 were before 1960) Knight: 11

Great program or the work of an all-time great coach?


I mean you could say this about UNC, Duke, and UCLA as well. Take out Dean Smith/Roy, Coach K, and Wooden and you aren't left with that much. However, since the early 60s Smith or Roy has been on the sidelines for UNC all but like 5 years, Coach K has been at Duke for like 40 years, and Wooden was at UCLA for nearly 30 years. At some point if a great coach is at a program long enough they become inseparable. And even though their histories haven't been dominated by just one or two coaches, Kentucky and Kansas also became what they are because of Rupp and Allen, who were in charge of their programs for 42 and 39 years respectively. It's actually a pretty common thread for basketball programs that are considered historically elite. Once constant coaching turnover starts to happen they will become bad in a hurry just like anyone else though.
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:34 am to
A lot of it is just effort and intangibles.

He's also athletic and strong - and that obviously helps big time - but his effort is always through the roof and he has a great feel and understanding of where to be and how to play.
Posted by McGregor
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:36 am to
and mainly, he can jump out of the gym.
Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:37 am to
Was Juwan a special recruit of Oat's? Didn't he know about him at Buffalo and recruit him down to us? Seems I remember some type of story like that.
Posted by McGregor
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:41 am to
ranking the coaches in the tourney in their playing days

Oats #47


47. Nate Oats, Alabama Crimson Tide -- Oats played at Division III Maranatha Baptist University in Watertown, Wisconsin, from 1993 to 1997, serving as a captain and earning all-conference honors.
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Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:41 am to
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He's also athletic and strong
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he can jump out of the gym

Yeah, I think it's mainly athleticism and quickness.

Watching a guy like Pons work makes you really appreciate explosiveness to the ball and timing, which can make up for a lack of height (Pons is only 6'-6").
Posted by Teague
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:44 am to
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"It doesn't matter what the media says about what job is right for Nate Oats.
Nate Oats and his family knows what job is right for Nate Oats and his family."

-Nate Oats


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This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 8:46 am
Posted by Robot Santa
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:45 am to
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Yeah, I don't get it about Gary. Granted I am not really a basketball guy, but, I don't understand how a guy who is smaller can play so stinking big.


He's strong so he doesn't give ground, and he has great footwork so he isn't particularly susceptible to drop steps, up and under moves, spins, etc. that result in lay ins or dunks. He does a really good job of keeping himself between the ball handler and the basket while also staying in a position to contest the already difficult shot he has forced the ball handler to take.
Posted by McGregor
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:51 am to
it's like he's on a pogo stick. Even the balls he doesn't get, he taps up and keeps alive.
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:53 am to
And as far as rebounding, some guys just have a natural ability to recognize the angles the ball will come off the rim. Combine that with tenacious effort, and it's a great combo. Dennis Rodman wasn't much taller than Gary and is considered one of the greatest rebounders in NBA history because of his effort and his ability to gauge where the ball would be coming off the rim. Rodman may actually be shorter than Gary is. I think he was around 6'7".
Posted by Crede15
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:55 am to
No, Avery signed Gary. And Shackleford and Forbes.

Oats added Rojas and Beetle and that’s it unless I’m forgetting somebody. Oh, Raymond Hawkins. It’s hard to recruit a first class when you’re coming in so late in the game.
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:55 am to
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Was Juwan a special recruit of Oat's? Didn't he know about him at Buffalo and recruit him down to us? Seems I remember some type of story like that.


You are thinking of either Raymond Hawkins or James Rojas.

Gary was actually an Avery recruit in the same class as Shack.
Posted by McGregor
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:56 am to
Avery got them to commit, was he still around when they signed? I know it's sort of the same, just curious.
Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 8:59 am to
Well... way to go Avery!
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:00 am to
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"It doesn't matter what the media says about what job is right for Nate Oats.
Nate Oats and his family knows what job is right for Nate Oats and his family."

-Nate Oats


Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 3/16/21 at 9:01 am to
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Rodman may actually be shorter than Gary is. I think he was around 6'7".



Rodman was about 6'7" and Gary is about 6'6".
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