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Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:04 pm to TidalSurge1
Wiiide open.
Baker was ranked a top 5 performer at an Opening in one of the most talent rich states, have analysts talking positively about his performance, yet people are caught up solely on timed speed.
Baker was ranked a top 5 performer at an Opening in one of the most talent rich states, have analysts talking positively about his performance, yet people are caught up solely on timed speed.
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:27 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Nobody is saying he's a bad player. Nobody is saying Bama shouldn't sign him. Some ARE saying a 4.75 forty for a WR isn't ideal. That is not disputable. You can ask any NFL scout or GM, or heck, a high school football coach. This is fact. Pointing it out doesn't "wiiiide open" anything. I reject the false premise that calling something not ideal means you don't trust the coaches, or you don't think that player is a potentially good player. All of those things are not mutually exclusive. Logic and rhetoric are becoming a lost art.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 2:41 pm to YStar
Is a 4.34 bad or average? And before you flip out I have no opinion of the player one way or the other. 
Posted on 3/26/19 at 3:06 pm to Carlton
Posted on 3/26/19 at 3:18 pm to tider04
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Some ARE saying a 4.75 forty for a WR isn't ideal. That is not disputable. You can ask any NFL scout or GM, or heck, a high school football coach
Bama took his commitment with worse reported 40 times, I don't think he's expected by anyone to just blossom into a speedster at any time.
4.75 isn't ideal, but the article has very positive things to say about Baker. If the only thing some ARE taking from that is slow times is shortsighted and negative. This is fact. And it's completely allowed, as are responses to them.
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Pointing it out doesn't "wiiiide open" anything.
Whoooooooosh.
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I reject the false premise that calling something not ideal means you don't trust the coaches, or you don't think that player is a potentially good player. All of those things are not mutually exclusive. Logic and rhetoric are becoming a lost art.
Hey, if you want to casually follow recruiting and base your assessments off shortsighted skimming, more power to you. That logic led you to believe Seth McLaughlin was a potential gray shirt because you saw he was a 3*, despite having offers from several top 10 teams.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 3:29 pm to TidalSurge1
My main takeaway from that is that Javon Baker has almost comically large hands unless those gloves just have a bunch of unnecessary padding in them.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 3:30 pm to MagillaGuerilla
I know William Barger "redfish" has said many times, if a kid can run a legit 4.7 40, he can play any skill position in the SEC.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 3:41 pm to phaz
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I know William Barger "redfish" has said many times, if a kid can run a legit 4.7 40, he can play any skill position in the SEC.
Savion Smith's play last year, begs to differ. There are always exceptions to the rule. But they are exceptions for a reason.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 3:51 pm to tider04
I definitely wouldn't want a slow def back.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 3:51 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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4.75 isn't ideal, but the article has very positive things to say about Baker. If the only thing some ARE taking from that is slow times is shortsighted and negative. This is fact. And it's completely allowed, as are responses to them.
Yep, and I think it's great that the kid apparently has good hands, body control and can high point the ball. All of that doesn't negate a potential concern with his less than ideal speed.
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Hey, if you want to casually follow recruiting and base your assessments off shortsighted skimming, more power to you. That logic led you to believe Seth McLaughlin was a potential gray shirt because you saw he was a 3*, despite having offers from several top 10 teams.
Admittedly, I don't follow recruiting as closely as some do. That's why I come here to read up. I do follow it more than casually though. As to McLaughlin, I never stated he was a gray shirt candidate. I said taking him early was a GOOD move by the staff. If he blows up and shoots up the rankings, you already have his commitment. If he goes the way of, say, the Cheney kid out of GA last year, and he doesn't pan out like we'd hoped and more talented players want in, the staff can slow play him, mention a gray shirt possibility to him, etc to encourage him to sign with another school. Which incidentally, is exactly what our staff did with Cheney last year when guys like Young and Sopsher let the staff know they wanted in the class. Your ability to follow logic and argumentation are lacking, friend. Maybe read a little less recruiting and pick up a real book every so often to sharpen some essential skills you seem to lack.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 3:52 pm to Carlton
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Is a 4.34 bad or average? And before you flip out I have no opinion of the player one way or the other.
It's more about the separation of the 40 and shuttle. You want it to be .4 difference or greater. It shows you can start/stop/change directions...you know, things you need to play football vs. straight line speed. 4.34 isn't bad and it would be that .4+ difference which you're looking for as well.
I have no opinion on the kid. I was just saying the 40 is a terrible way to judge whether or not someone can play football.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 3:53 pm to TidalSurge1
Posted on 3/26/19 at 4:00 pm to IB4bama
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I definitely wouldn't want a slow def back.
Depends on so much more than speed. Zedrick Woods ran a 4.29 at the combine at safety. Remember him NOT being able to run down Jeudy this year on that long TD? So do you think Jeudy runs faster than 4.29?
Posted on 3/26/19 at 4:06 pm to JJ27
Jeudy is a 4.3 runner. If he catches you flat, you're burned.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 4:17 pm to tider04
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As to McLaughlin, I never stated he was a gray shirt candidate. I said taking him early was a GOOD move by the staff. If he blows up and shoots up the rankings, you already have his commitment.
What is it about having 19 offers, including top 10 teams, that the guy has to "blow up" still?
I had only mentioned that to appease the likes of stargazers. Getting out to camps will boost his rating, but he's still gonna be the same player. Camping is as much political as it is competition when it comes to sites.
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If he goes the way of, say, the Cheney kid out of GA last year, and he doesn't pan out like we'd hoped and more talented players want in, the staff can slow play him, mention a gray shirt possibility to him, etc to encourage him to sign with another school. Which incidentally, is exactly what our staff did with Cheney last year when guys like Young and Sopsher let the staff know they wanted in the class.
They straight up stopped talking to Cheney, he was a commit in name only because Bama can't comment on recruits. No grey shirt, and before it was clear on either Young or Sopsher.
Comparing the 2 enforces my point, you're calling him a potential placeholder commit. Would you call a 5* that? Or is it because you're basing this off his ranking? What makes him that, please elucidate.
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Your ability to follow logic and argumentation are lacking, friend. Maybe read a little less recruiting and pick up a real book every so often to sharpen some essential skills you seem to lack.
Ooooh, burn. What next, are you gonna drop the "I don't want to discuss this further, it's not worth my time" line? Or stoop to to picking at grammar?
I'm sure you'll do it casually...
Posted on 3/26/19 at 6:28 pm to MagillaGuerilla
'Good chance' 5-star prospect visits for A-Day (BamaOnLine-VIP)
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Five-star QB Bryce Young
"We are still working out the specifics, but there is a good chance we will be there on (April) the 13th," Young's father, Craig Young, told BOL on Tuesday.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 3/26/19 at 6:34 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Seems like I remember a guy named Kevin Norwood that wasn’t a burner but the guy was always open when it mattered.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 7:52 pm to phil4bama
He wasnt slow either tho. Doubt he was a 4.7 guy lol.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 8:13 pm to phil4bama
Kevin ran a 4.48 at the NFL Combine
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