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re: 2019 Alabama Football : PFF Player Grades
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:05 pm to 3down10
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:05 pm to 3down10
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I hope he makes some big arse play that wins us the national championship and ends his career a legend for something other than being a bust.
Yep - and it sucks, because from all accounts he is a good kid who works hard he just isn't the "guy" people read they were getting on recruiting websites.
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Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:05 pm to prevatt33b
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Shane Lee was the play-caller, not Harris.
Got ya, got that one confused
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:07 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
Shane Lee was just born at least 2 to 3 decades too late and plays the wrong position. He could be an all-world FB.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:09 pm to prevatt33b
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Shane Lee was just born at least 2 to 3 decades too late and plays the wrong position. He could be an all-world FB.
Yep, hate it for the kid. He was thrown into a miserable spot, worked his arse off and his body just failed him more times than not. And you know that he knows that too, which had to make it even harder.
Hope we find a way to play to his strengths and get him on the field.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Can we agree that it was a miss eval on our part and not the kids fault??
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:12 pm to Bear88
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Can we agree that it was a miss eval on our part and not the kids fault??
Honestly, I don't know what their plan was for him. It's possible they planned to get him, work on his body for a year and then hope he's ready.
If they thought he could be a starter in the middle at his current physical state and didn't have another plan then yea absolutely a miss.
Clearly not the kids fault, though. I appreciate the hell out of what he did this year.
This post was edited on 1/13/20 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:16 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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Who does the grading for this site? Do they have former coaches grading the film?
They don’t really say. I’m sure at least some are former players and coaches.
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Is the full 22 game film given to them to review?
Yes
Now this is for the NFL but I’m sure there’s something similar for college. Maybe not quite as extensive though.
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Each game is also graded by a second PFF analyst independent of the first, and those grades are compared by a third, Senior Analyst, who rules on any differences between the two. These grades are verified by the Pro Coach Network, a group of former and current NFL coaches with over 700 combined years of NFL coaching experience, to get them as accurate as they can be. From there, the grades are normalized to better account for game situation; this ranges from where a player lined up to the dropback depth of the quarterback or the length of time he had the ball in his hand and everything in between. They are finally converted to a 0-100 scale and appear in our Player Grades tool.
But there’s definitely quite a bit of subjectivity. They’re not going to be completely wrong on a player (an extremely low graded player isn’t going to be really great in actuality) but take their grades with a grain of salt.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:20 pm to 1BamaRTR
Yep - also there is no curve for quality of competition. That makes sense in the NFL, but it's hard to do in college (ie a couple of MAC and Sun Belt QBs in the Top 10 QBs). It's also hard to do a sliding scale like that, because it's possible a kid just hasn't been allowed to compete against high level teams and he's being unfairly downgraded for something he can't control.
Using it in unison with something like SEC Statcast metrics gives me a pretty good feel for a guy, but you always have to look at that stuff as one of many tools.
Using it in unison with something like SEC Statcast metrics gives me a pretty good feel for a guy, but you always have to look at that stuff as one of many tools.
This post was edited on 1/13/20 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:20 pm to 1BamaRTR
Hard to believe he was the 1or 2 ranked ILB or he put on the “freshman 15 “ in the wrong places
He could still develop though into a serviceable player if he gets body right. He is a hitter
He could still develop though into a serviceable player if he gets body right. He is a hitter
This post was edited on 1/13/20 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I'd love for the light to come on for Kaho (with some mentoring from Moses), and get 2 years of stud Kaho at Mike, with Harris or another fleet-afoot Will by his side. We need more mean bastards, and Kaho seems like the kind of dude who likes to hurt people.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:23 pm to prevatt33b
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I'd love for the light to come on for Kaho (with some mentoring from Moses), and get 2 years of stud Kaho at Mike, with Harris or another fleet-afoot Will by his side. We need more mean bastards, and Kaho seems like the kind of dude who likes to hurt people.
Absofrickinlutely
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Even in the NFL, PFF themselves don’t completely rely on their own grades. This season they had Stephon Gilmore ranked not even top 15 among CBs in highest grades but they still put him on their All-Pro team. Because their grades can’t really account for level of competition and supporting cast.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:26 pm to Bear88
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Can we agree that it was a miss eval on our part and not the kids fault??
Shane Lee is elite between the ears and is a dude. He just needs to change his body, get leaner and MUCH more flexible, and see what it takes him.
If we recruit folks like skinny CBs and QBs, knowing they need a year or 2 to get their body right to play the game, let's give Shane Lee the same opportunity rather than bash him.
The kid was put in a SUPER tough spot, and he played with heart and class. I still hope he can get where he needs to get physically.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:26 pm to prevatt33b
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He could be an all-world FB.
I 100% agree. Make Fullbacks Great Again!!!!,
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:46 pm to prevatt33b
Also look at the amount of snaps Lee played compared to the 2018 and 2017 starters.
Only Mack Wilson played more snaps than Lee did. Hell of a tough spot to be forced into especially as a true freshman.
SDH and Lee share some similar qualities as ILBs, and SDH had to change his body when he got to Bama. He gained too much weight and was "stiff" in camps and games his senior year of HS.
Not saying Lee is gonna be SDH, but he's got a few years to turn it around...
Only Mack Wilson played more snaps than Lee did. Hell of a tough spot to be forced into especially as a true freshman.
SDH and Lee share some similar qualities as ILBs, and SDH had to change his body when he got to Bama. He gained too much weight and was "stiff" in camps and games his senior year of HS.
Not saying Lee is gonna be SDH, but he's got a few years to turn it around...
Posted on 1/13/20 at 5:52 pm to prevatt33b
He is good playing in a phone booth right now . Cochran can get him at the right weight
Posted on 1/13/20 at 8:11 pm to MagillaGuerilla
That’s almost beside the point. Nico was light years ahead of Lee.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:56 pm to Bear88
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at the right weight
I think he has a flexibility problem, not a weight problem.
Posted on 1/13/20 at 9:59 pm to prevatt33b
Weight affects flexibility . He is too bottom heavy . He doesn’t have the height to carry as much as he is IMO. He can only get better and I believe he will. His HS coaches have sang his praises as a player, leader and hard worker . Not giving up on him yet
This post was edited on 1/13/20 at 10:03 pm
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