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re: My dream scenario

Posted by TaterMashinCock on 12/5/21 at 9:33 am
Add in Elliott for good measure. Let the AD change throw some spice and error into the coordinator hires, and we could have us an entertaining Holiday Season watching the taters melt.
I would have liked to seen more variety, especially given most of it had to have come from scratch. But if we had to simplify at the bye to have any success, I guess we just weren't able to get creative. Still wouldn't fire him, unless Mullen or someone wants to OC for us.

Agree on Adkins, wonder if Beamer had a chance with Wolf, especially if he chose Bobo somehow instead.

The Offense

Posted by TaterMashinCock on 6/12/21 at 3:00 pm
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Still just words at this point. But the idea that you buy a coach and their proven system just doesn't work in today's game. I like the thought process, and will be interested to see what they put together.

re: 2021 Baseball Thread

Posted by TaterMashinCock on 3/28/21 at 11:35 am
Meh, who needs stats when you've got balls over walls!

re: Rutgers!

Posted by TaterMashinCock on 3/21/21 at 12:46 pm
A trip to the final four vs 5 one and done tourney trips absolutely sits better with me. Tells me they're getting in because of the politics of deciding who gets in, vs their actual ability. Which further emboldens me to say SC has had more than one deserving team, based on ability, that were snubbed due to politics. I'll then finish with the conclusion that much of clem's athletic success comes from their political savvy, rather than the magic of keeping it all in the family as they like to suggest. I think that conclusion also goes a long way in explaining how a power 5 school of major national prominence can't afford a track and field team like other state powerhouses Winthrop, Lander and Benedict.

re: Rutgers!

Posted by TaterMashinCock on 3/21/21 at 10:32 am
And yet we have won more tourney games than them in the last 20 years ?? It's almost like being in the ACC pays off for them in two sports, even if in different ways.
Your AD could grow a pair and accept nothing short of perfection.
Currently undefeated as a HBC. Yall need to step your game up.
Well we have at least 2 perennial championship contenders on our schedule every year. Rather than go around with a championship or bust mentality, lets keep it simple and focus on being able to beat those 2 teams, with their polar opposite styles on both sides of the ball, and adapt our gameplan for everyone else based on their similarities to the 2 big ones.

I agree 18-25 won't be enough to get us a ship, but with the right mentality and development it might be enough to get us ranked and in some kind of conversation. Then you flip that to some 10-15 classes, and keep repeating that. Then, just try to not throw everything away (or even let rumors start and spread) in five years, and maybe we can build something formidable.
I'll be happy with beating UGA and/or clemson every year. If we get there, barring a colapse from them, the title situation would be much more attainable.

As for a recruiting class, I haven't seen much on our targets for this next cycle, so I don't know where we will end up. Without even seeing a good target list, I don't know we'll be top 25 this first year, but agree Beamer should be able to maintain our 18-25. Maybe a few good years mixed in if we can get something going.
Well I agree if he went somewhere tomorrow he could bring in talent day one. I'm just not sure he could sustain his overall success somewhere else. I think he has built a great program, but I don't think he is as personally responsible for that success as the other "great" coaches who have won a championship, much less multiple. I believe there are inherent advantages of clemson that have made Dabo appear to be a greater individual HBC than he actually is. But honestly, that's what your looking for in a CEO coach, someone who can develop a sum that is greater than its parts. Hopefully Beamer could find some of that, because he surely isn't the "man" in the traditional coaching sense.
This was my favorite reading. I was able to follow more on my own a few years ago, but CT always had at least the targets you could pick up and go look into yourself. I can't get hung up on the positivity or negativity of individual posters, but I enjoy seeing people share information.
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I disagree completely, and it would be eaten up by schools in the south for sure


It's not that a given school wouldn't like it. It's that you can't hop schools if your primary recruiting pitch is I'm a jackass, but we're a family that sticks together. If your primary pitch is everwhere I go I fecking win, come be a part of that family, like Saban, that's still a different, more transferable pitch.
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He does exactly what Dabo does, hire top coordinators and analysts


Dabo hasn't hired a coordinator in five years. I can't name a coach on his staff other than Elliott and Venables. I'm honestly not sure the coaching acumen has much to do with the success. It goes back to keeping it all in the family under the lord's watchful eye. He has consistency, probably more because of illicit activities than for the family bond they share. Regardless, he, as an individual coach could not pick up his family love schtick and move it around like Saban and Urban have. Saban and Urban built their names and will be forever recognized for their ability to install a killer system that will win a championship.

That's not to take away from what clemson is, but to think Dabo could go around and replicate his con anywhere he wanted like Saban or Meyer, I'm not buying it.

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No because he’d still be pulling in the same talent, and would have an even larger budget to do exactly what Saban has done
frick even Orgeron in 2019


So again, the whole point here is that his roster is as good as it could reasonably get, and so no matter where he goes, he's peaked in talent, similar to Bama. What would be different is that that peak talent would actually be tested for a whole season, even in Pac-12 or the Bigs, much less the SEC. He's not a good coach, he is an opportunist who lucked out with a good opportunity in a terrible conference.

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Also this... when is that going to happen?
We’ve been waiting for this for years now. And nothing


I couldn't tell ya Baw, but you either believe only the teams that get caught are cheating, or that most everyone is cheating and some just do it better. So to repeat my theme of lucky opportunist, he managed to land at a school located in a cult town, where he could get away with a much better cheating system to turn his hick school into the premier landing spot for all the best football players in the country under his gracious guidance. Yet to be exposed Hugh Freeze. The only difference is, you strip Sweeney of his talent, he's not going to UMass and getting them ranked in 2 years.
What he does is attract grade A talent to a D grade conference where that talent gets him a perfect season, every year. His biggest annual competition is FSU and us, so yeah...

So he takes advantage of an easy season, players all healthy, and 2 games left he's spent all season preparing for (deciphering play call signs) because now his talent advantage is a parity. So he sends Skelator out there with 8-9 dudes in the box almost every play, because that's all they know how to do on defense, send their talented front at your QB, and stop the run.

To me, Dabo is just a yet to be exposed Hugh Freeze living in a cult town that wouldn't care even if he was exposed. Biggest difference is, once people realize how Dabo manages to land all that talent, he won't have any tangible coaching abilities for you or anyone else to point to. He wins, but if no one can say why, he's probably much more an opportunist than a great coach.

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I disagree completely, he’s already built his name and won national titles, he’ll move to another school and be able to attract kids because of his name and results


The point here was, he already has just about the best talent in the country, let's say his roster is 92-93/100. Well the rest of the ACC averages around 60, the FL schools sniff the 80s on a good year. So even if he goes somewhere else and manages to maintain that 92-93 roster talent, there's no other conference he could go that's as weak as the ACC, and so he may get exposed for not being able to actually coach (think, could he ever do more with less?) If he had an actual schedule to play.
Which brings me to the next point. Even if Dabo does maintain his talent gap, what the hell is he coaching that makes him great? He wins 1-2 big games a year with usually all his players, that he likely gets to gameplan for all year bc of the ACC schedule. There really aren't a lot of schools he could pick where he could maintain his current roster talent (like anywhere outside the SE) and where that roster talent would be so head and shoulders above the rest of the conference that it really doesn't matter how he coaches.

Obviously Saban doesn't have that problem. He's made his name on an identifiable coaching style, and has even shocked the world by building a team of analysts to evolve his game. Meyer at least made his name as an offensive guru before he made it big. I trust when he moves, he's installing his offensive ideas wherever he goes.

But what is Dabo bringing? Skelator and his 9 man box? His Chad Morris based offense? At best he brings his staff, but what does his staff even know besides how to win against a bunch of highschool talent with an NFL roster?
To me, the competitive advantage he has that even keeps him in the running is his ability to attract talent. I couldn't even tell you his coaching style, other than keeping it "all in" the family under the lord's watchful eye. Yet, he has an All-SEC roster playing an ACC schedule. I'm just not sure that good ole boy schtick picks up and moves as well as Saban, maybe Meyer, but look what that does to the poor guy.
Originally meant the first, but I'd be interested in your thoughts on either if you think it makes a difference.
He's running a great program. A simple test to him being one of the best is simply, how well do you think he could replicate his success anywhere else besides maybe Bama with a smooth transition from Nick?
This is what I like to see. I don't care what big headed "proven" coach we could have picked up, if they can't hire a bunch of analysts to keep them ahead of the gane, they'll be failing in a few years regardless. Get us some energetic football schemers that love to break down the game, strengths and weaknesses, and develop your game plans based on those studies. Not Jim Bob's gut feeling because that's all he's got for $6M a year.