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Posted on 11/1/20 at 5:26 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Posted on 11/1/20 at 5:26 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Posted on 11/1/20 at 8:45 pm to DawgsLife
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But you have to get the first down first. That is your #1 goal unless you are absolutely positive you can break
You think he has a yellow stripe in front of em like we see on TV?
You think he knows the exact place to get to on the field for a 1st down if he's not near the sideline?
He's fighting for yards and doesn't see what you see and you don't see what he sees.
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Yes. They all do it from time to time, but you had better pick up the first down if you don't break it.
Once again,I've seen multiple great players do the exact same thing.
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No it's not. have you watched him from the past two years?
He's averaged over over 6 ypc carry since he's been here. Do you think he FINALLY learned how to run this year? It's a lazy narrative and I was one of the few on this board this off season who knew this guys talent and saw him being a big contributor if Monken used him properly.
ETA:He also had a bad ankle almost the entire season last year as well as being banged up in '18.
You think the guy was the top RB in perhaps the best HS region in the country because he "falls down on first contact?"
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Key words:
Monken taking advantage of his talents. Pretty easy to see the difference.
This post was edited on 11/1/20 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 11/2/20 at 2:08 pm to RD Dawg
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You think he has a yellow stripe in front of em like we see on TV?
You think he knows the exact place to get to on the field for a 1st down if he's not near the sideline?
If he doesn't he doesn't need to be out there. Even in High School it was drummed in our heads to know how far you need to get for a first down. That is rule #1.
quote:Doesn't mean it is a good habit. I am seeing "great" players calling for a fair catch inside the 10 yard line these days. Doesn't mean it is a good move.
Once again,I've seen multiple great players do the exact same thing.
I see ball carriers (RBs and WRs) carry the ball loosely and not covering it up in traffic. Doesn't mean it is a good habit to be in.
quote:No. But every ball carrier out there has years of experience. Do you honestly believe they do everything well and correctly?
He's averaged over over 6 ypc carry since he's been here. Do you think he FINALLY learned how to run this year?
quote:Everybody knows he has talent. that's easy to see. But just because somebody has talent does not mean they develop great or even good habits.
It's a lazy narrative and I was one of the few on this board this off season who knew this guys talent and saw him being a big contributor if Monken used him properly.
quote:Sorry it offends you that I point it out, but the last two years he went down easier than any other back on our team.
You think the guy was the top RB in perhaps the best HS region in the country because he "falls down on first contact?"
We can argue like this for months....or we can just disagree and leave it alone.
Btw
That is not me down voting you and up voting me.
I realize that we don't always agree, and that's okay.This post was edited on 11/4/20 at 11:55 am
Posted on 11/4/20 at 12:12 pm to DawgsLife
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he doesn't he doesn't need to be out there. Even in High School it was drummed in our heads to know how far you need to get for a first down. That is rule #1.
I'm not talking yards, I'm talking the precise line for the first down. He doesn't see what you see from your couch. it's a completely different perspective.
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Doesn't mean it is a good habit
Habit? It's how he runs and it's paid off more often than.Id love to see the stats on when this actually happens just like the "falling on the first hit narrative" I think your perception as turned into reality for you.
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Do you honestly believe they do everything well and correctly?
Of course not but that's not the discussion.Every RB who has ever played can do things better.There
hasn't been some dramatic change in his "power running game." Monken is getting him out in spaces and he's also healthy for the first time in a while since he's been here.
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Everybody knows he has talent
IDK about that.Did you look at the posts about em this off season? Folks on here all but gave up on 'em and more than one said he should never take a snap again.
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Sorry it offends you that I point it out
Nothing "offends" me at all.Its just a lazy narrative.You wanna show me YAC stats that show me "he goes down on first contact" I'll be glad to look at the numbers compared to our other RB's
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months....or we can just disagree and leave it alone.
You made the detailed response thread and we can disagree.Its what this place is about.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 1:57 pm to RD Dawg
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I'm not talking yards, I'm talking the precise line for the first down. He doesn't see what you see from your couch. it's a completely different perspective.
i am talking about the first down marker...not yards. That was a baisc thing. "Always know where the first down marker is!" was preached to us over and over again.
quote:Players are people and get into bad habits. It doesn't matter that it is your style, there are certain things you do to protect the ball, etc. for instance he used to be in the habit of carrying the ball in his right hand all the time. (I have not noticed or watched to see if he has been doing it this year) Runners should always carry the ball in the hand that is nearest the sideline when running near the sideline. If the ball gets ripped or your arm gets hit the ball is more likely to go out of bounds. Little things like that make a big difference.
Habit? It's how he runs and it's paid off more often than.Id love to see the stats on when this actually happens just like the "falling on the first hit narrative" I think your perception as turned into reality for you.
quote:Again, we will have to agree to disagree. I see a huge difference.
There
hasn't been some dramatic change in his "power running game."
quote:More than one said he should not take another snap? Then they are wrong. He's talented. And I do agree with you that he had not been used properly for his skills. He is more of a pass catch and get the ball in space type of players. The catch and run at Alabama showed what he is capable of.
IDK about that.Did you look at the posts about em this off season? Folks on here all but gave up on 'em and more than one said he should never take a snap again.
quote:Not when it is true.
Its just a lazy narrative
quote:He doesn't every time, and I never mean to insinuate that he does every time. he does it a lot. A lot more than he should. I went back and watched some of his carries against a couple of teams and saw him break some runs and saw him go down easier than he should on some.
"he goes down on first contact"
I think most of us have seen Chubb and Swift and Gurley and how they finish runs and that just seemed to be missing from him. Part of that is because he was given the ball to run up the middle and that is not what he excells in. But...why isn't that a part of his game? because he does not run with a lot of power.
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You made the detailed response thread and we can disagree.Its what this place is about.
That's fine. We typically agree on a lot of stuff, but when we disagree we seem to disagree big.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 3:14 pm to RD Dawg
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You think he knows the exact place to get to on the field for a 1st down if he's not near the sideline?
Runners should know the line to gain. Maybe not to the inch but certainly within one foot.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 3:29 pm to DawgsLife
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talking about the first down marker...not yards
Went over in a previous post.OF COURSE you look for it whenever possible.You actually think it's an easy thing to do between hash marks? I'll say it again,he doesn't have yellow line in front of him.
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Players are people and get into bad habits
But that's not a "habit" he has.
He would never see the field for a P5 team if he had a "habit" of "falling down" on the "first time"someone touches him.Its just
a incorrect narrative even if you insist its "true" I will say he did have some issues with his ankle and it did affect his balance and cutting last year.
quote:I don't.I see a guy who healthy for the first time since probably '18 and a OC that's getting the ball to em in space.
I see a huge difference.
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He doesn't every time, and I never mean to insinuate that he does every time. he does it a lot
He we go again. He obviously doesn't have the same style or build as Zeus or Milton and will try to make defenders miss em as opposed to running through em. It does make it a little easier to defend em between the tackles.
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That's fine. We typically agree on a lot of stuff, but when we disagree we seem to disagree big.
Is what it is but let's hope he 100% Saturday because we'll need em especially on 3rd downs.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 5:09 pm to RD Dawg
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Went over in a previous post.OF COURSE you look for it whenever possible.You actually think it's an easy thing to do between hash marks? I'll say it again,he doesn't have yellow line in front of him.
No. Maybe I am misunderstanding you or you are misunderstanding me. You find the yard line before the play starts. You KNOW exactly where yu need to go. For instance. A simple hook pattern. We usually ranthem 8-10 yards deep, but if you need 11 yards for the first down you run the pattern 11-12 yards ddep to make sure you had the first down. Ball carriers should know exactly where they need to get for a first down and then change the way they might run the ball. Look at Zamir on his touchdown run. He blasted his way prepared to be hit but lowered his head to ensure the first down. Nobody was more surprised than him that the defense didn't hit him and he was off balance. He was blasting for a first down, but when nobody hit him he scored. He stumbled and almost fell because he was going for the first down not expecting to score.
quote:Carrying the ball in the wrong hand is a habit.
But that's not a "habit" he has.
When you go for breaking a long run over getting the first down it is a habit. not a necessarily bad habit, unless you get hit and don't get that first down. I get it. In high school he could get away with going outside all the time and breaking a long run. In the SEC you better get that first down first then if you can break it, break it. But your priority should be:
1. First down
2. Possibly break a long run
If your team needs a first down you get the first down, you do not give a first down up to try to break one.....unless you are sure you can break it. You give up too many first downs and you will find yourself on the bench, because teams need sustained drives to score. You can't give up 4 first downs so you can add 10 extra yards to one run. A team only has so many times they control the ball. They have to maximize those possessions.
Hey. That is what I was always taught. the game has changed a lot since i played.
They used to teach us to wrap up the ball carrier, too. Today the kids want to get an ESPN highlight reel hit. They miss a lot of tackles, too. What do you think a coach does with a player who refuses to wrap up and allows the other team to gain extra yards because he wants to make a highlight reel.
One of the things they struggled teaching Pickens is he always wanted to make the one handed catches and would drop some balls. Stuff like that won't be tolerated at the SEC level for a long time.
Again. Just my opinion, and what I have observed. You seem certain you are right. maybe you are. You have an opinion, and i have an opinion.
Tell you what....We could go on and on and I won't convince you I am right and you won't convince me that you are right.
I'll give you last say, then we can drop this. I won't rebut......you're up!
Posted on 11/4/20 at 5:34 pm to DawgsLife
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Sorry it offends you that I point it out, but the last two years he went down easier than any other back on our team.
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