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Will the Chapel Hill academic fraud be the catalyst for the downfall
Posted on 1/9/14 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 1/9/14 at 3:16 pm
...of the cheap labor under the guise of academic scholarships? This eventually will end... Just mot sure how soon, but the Feds are involved not the NCAA this time...
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 3:35 pm to Peter Buck
I think the published academic standards for all universities should be enforced regardless of athletic scholarships. The student athlete is a farce otherwise which it is in many cases. However, I do not believe in government control/intervention in this area or in most aspects of our lives.
Yes, this would likely impact the SEC more than any other conference but integrity must be restored in college football for it to survive long term. To do otherwise simply creates professional farm clubs out of our universities with paid college players who could care less about a college education. If that is the wave of the future, then said farm clubs should not be part of the university system who's purpose is education.
Yes, this would likely impact the SEC more than any other conference but integrity must be restored in college football for it to survive long term. To do otherwise simply creates professional farm clubs out of our universities with paid college players who could care less about a college education. If that is the wave of the future, then said farm clubs should not be part of the university system who's purpose is education.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 3:48 pm to Peter Buck
Besides the years of academic fraud at UNC, they also have some questionable admittance standards.
CNN Article
Yeah, she fired.
CNN Article
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From Mary Willingham's research, based on Scholastic Aptitude Test for Adults:
-- Of 183 athletes in revenue-generating sports admitted to UNC between 2004 and 2012:
-- About 60% were reading between the fourth and eighth grade reading levels.
-- Between 8% and 10% were reading below a third grade level.
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University response:
We asked UNC to comment specifically on Mary Willingham's research and they told us they were not aware of it, and that it wasn't part of her job to do research. But then we showed them emails between Willingham and university officials that show she had approval to conduct the research and shared her findings with university officials. UNC then told CNN they plan to meet with her to discuss what she found.
Yeah, she fired.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 5:49 pm to CockInYourEar
The Feds are involved with this due to some non NCAA related issues, but the lid is going to come off as the NCAA won't be able to easily cover it up as they have in other instances. That is the big deal here.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 6:16 pm to Peter Buck
And the "feds" are gonna do what exactly?They gonna
"force" schools to pay athletes?Are they going to enforce some federal "standard" for D1 athletes?
Cheap labor?So what if a school losses money in FB?
(many do) Is it still "cheap labor"
"force" schools to pay athletes?Are they going to enforce some federal "standard" for D1 athletes?
Cheap labor?So what if a school losses money in FB?
(many do) Is it still "cheap labor"
Posted on 1/9/14 at 7:37 pm to RD Dawg
What is this going to do to those who gain their self respect by how well their school's football team performs?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 7:37 pm to RD Dawg
What is this going to do to those who gain their self respect by how well their school's football team performs?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:05 pm to RD Dawg
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And the "feds" are gonna do what exactly?They gonna "force" schools to pay athletes?Are they going to enforce some federal "standard" for D1 athletes? Cheap labor?So what if a school losses money in FB? (many do) Is it still "cheap labor"
They are going to find a lot of dirt in their own investigation which is not related necessarily to sports if you read the article. When it comes out, it will be hard to justify.
The cheap labor is simply that this will be undeniable proof that core classes and systems are set up to pass these kids through so they can make the school money. Nothing to do with education. We all know it is there, but the NCAA has done its best to hide it. I think this deal may well bring a lot of it to light....
If a football team does not show a profit on the books, it is because it does not show a profit on the books... Ya dig?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 10:50 am to Peter Buck
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it is because it does not show a profit on the books... Ya dig?
Not really,if the school doesn't make $$ not sure you can refer to it as "cheap labor".Hell,GT claimed they lost a million on FB in 2012 but since UGA made money I would guess our guys are "exploited" and their guys are getting a pretty good deal. Correct?
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systems are set up to pass these kids through so they can make the school money. Nothing to do with education.
Is this something new? Granted,some schools
are far more abusive of the system than others
and hopefully the very worst schools get exposed.
Hell, my brother played FB at an Ivy League school
and even they have "systems" set up to make sure
some athletes can get through courses and remain
eligible.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 11:05 am to RD Dawg
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Not really,if the school doesn't make $$ not sure you can refer to it as "cheap labor".Hell,GT claimed they lost a million on FB in 2012 but since UGA made money I would guess our guys are "exploited" and their guys are getting a pretty good deal. Correct?
No, the money the sports teams make are clearly more than the p and l sheets. If football cost GT $1m a year and it provided no other benefit, they would end it. It is all a bigger part of the conference monies and overall school prestige.
The academic thing is subtle. We are not talking about easier classes and easier admissions. We are talking about classes that provide no real educational merit designed specifically to keep revenue makers on the team. That is what the aged investigation is about which I assume you still have not read ...
Posted on 1/10/14 at 12:17 pm to Peter Buck
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We are talking about classes that provide no real educational merit
I'm glad you brought this up instead of a tech fan. We've been pointing this out for years.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 1:50 pm to Rules
It is sad really and Tech fans should not be bringing it up as a gotcha. We have reduced Universities to money making platforms for semi pro teams...
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:02 pm to Peter Buck
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We have reduced Universities to money making platforms for semi pro teams...
Works for me
Posted on 1/10/14 at 3:20 pm to Peter Buck
If the shoe was in the other foot what would you do?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 5:30 pm to Rules
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Rules Will the Chapel Hill academic fraud be the catalyst for the downfall If the shoe was in the other foot what would you do?
I can see that meaning a few things. What direction are you taking it?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 6:38 pm to Peter Buck
Whichever direction leads to the most hilarity.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 7:29 pm to Peter Buck
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We are talking about classes that provide no real educational merit designed specifically to keep revenue makers on the team
So, the kids don't have a choice in what courses they take or the major they pick?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:09 pm to SquatchDawg
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So, the kids don't have a choice in what courses they take or the major they pick?
Not really. If they frick up and make a bad grade, they are off the team. They are funneled into majors specifically tailored for them to remain academically eligible to play football and no homework that would get in the way of their football homework, no tests scheduled for the day after a football game.
Every once in a while you get a rogue player who decides to major in psychology, but it's not the norm.
The degrees most of the athletes graduate with are completely worthless.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:12 pm to Peter Buck
I was wondering today if the reason UGA isn't going further in debt to make improvements like IPF is because they see changes in the foreseeable future that will significantly impact their revenue, such as an NFL minor league.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:39 pm to SquatchDawg
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So, the kids don't have a choice in what courses they take or the major they pick?
It is easy for a grown up to say that... but, the team has a special advisor for players. You show up to college and the first two months is football... At least during the quarter system. When you meet with an advisor, you have experienced nothing but football. He tells you to take 12 hours during the season to stay eligible. That is 2 full time classes and like a ROTC or 2 hours class. They also tell you to take the basic classes, even if you took calc in HS, they will tell you to take math 100/101 so you won't have a work load. This guy talks to the coaches. When you are 18 and trying to make an impression on the coaches and to be thought of as a team player, do you tell your advisor that you do not want to take his advice? I eventually got a real advisor, but I also showed I was an A student, so they did not mess with my types after a while.
So, you do have a choice, but it is has to be earned and you have to have the wisdom to understand it.... and for every one who earns it, there are 3 who are managed until they are of no more football use. I was lucky and had someone pull me aside and guided me out of that mess.
Some of the new rules just necessitated that they graduate players the used to not have to graduate... How do you graduate more kids from college who are not cut out for college? That is what this case is about...
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