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re: Why should Eason start over Fromm?

Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:17 am to
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:17 am to
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In this case, I don't think arm strength is as much of a factor on most pass plays.

On most plays it is not. Last year against Tenn. it would have been. Arm strength is important when a game is on the line.

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Fromm has shown he can throw the deep ball and put it in a place where our receivers can make plays.

He underthrows a good bit.

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If he can throw it 40 yards downfield, that's good enough to open things up for our running backs.


Yes, it is. Against Tennessee, he could not have made the throw that Eason did. However, it could also be argued that Fromm might have made two throws and we score on the second throw giving Tenn. no time to beat us with a Hail Mary. However, the chances of us completing two big passes go down significantly.


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Eason didn't show great accuracy last year.

No he didn't.

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I think that was one of the biggest reasons we had so many drops: he threw the ball like he was shooting a cannon and the balls weren't right on the money, making our receivers make plays on quick balls that hit them in the hands instead of the numbers.

A receiver is supposed to catch it with his hands and not close to his body. I played receiver, and the drops were the receivers fault...trust me on that. However, all receivers drop passes sooner or later. They just came in bunches at the beginning of the year last year.

I give the edge to Fromm, too. Not a huge edge, but an edge, nonetheless. However, I have not seen enough of Eason THIS year to know if it is fair to give Fromm the edge or not.
Posted by DawgRff
Snellville Ga
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:34 am to
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Compare the run game and pass blocking from last year to this year. Not a fair comparison. We won't know until we see Eason work this year with the first team if he can.


The TD pass to Naura where Fromm was pressured, do Eason make that throw?
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 6:39 am to
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do Eason make that throw?


I don't know. The strike in the TN game last year where Eason beat the over the top safety with great accuracy and velocity, "Do" Fromm make that throw?
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 6:41 am
Posted by Thomaston_DAWG
Thomaston, Georgia
Member since Jan 2015
158 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:02 am to
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The strike in the TN game last year where Eason beat the over the top safety with great accuracy and velocity, "Do" Fromm make that throw?


I think he "do". Eason has made some OMG type throws, but those are few and far between. He overthrows the short to intermediate routes and underthrows the long ball the vast majority of the time.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27825 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:11 am to
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vast majority of the time.


He had a 55% completion rate last year.

So he HAD to have completed passes to somebody
Posted by Thomaston_DAWG
Thomaston, Georgia
Member since Jan 2015
158 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:35 am to
I cant tell you how many times I saw him under or overthrow the ball. If you cant admit that Eason has an accuracy problem, I don't know what to tell you. Fromm, through three games has about a 64% completion percentage. I don't think anyone would say Eason isn't talented but Fromm isn't just a back-up QB.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60643 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:50 am to
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The TD pass to Naura where Fromm was pressured, do Eason make that throw?




Possibly. Who knows? He made a difficult throw to MacKenzie against Missouri last year. he also made the throw at Tennessee that Fromm probably could not make because of arm strength.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60643 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:53 am to
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think he "do". Eason has made some OMG type throws, but those are few and far between. He overthrows the short to intermediate routes and underthrows the long ball the vast majority of the time.


There is no arguing that Fromm is more accurate. I am amazed. We had Mason who was very accurate and everybody was running around criticizing him because he did not have a great arm.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60643 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 7:58 am to
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I don't think anyone would say Eason isn't talented but Fromm isn't just a back-up QB.


That's the reason for this thread. neither of them is a backup QB. last year everybody was going crazy because Eason visited Florida and thought we would lose him. This year he is old news and people are going crazy for Fromm. next year (If we get him) everybody will be clamoring for Fields. It is a never ending cycle with this fan base. We are never happy with the players we have, and always want the flavor of the month.

Again, I love Fromm and think he has done a great job. if Smart decides to name him as the permanent starter, I am ok with that. If he decides to give Eason the job when he is well, then I am ok with that. Whoa be unto whoever gets/keeps the job, because he will be criticized incessantly every time he makes a bad decision/play.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 8:58 am
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
8000 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:48 am to
What's the injury status on JE anyway? Seems like Neyland always takes one of our players, hopefully it isn't fromm.
Posted by Thomaston_DAWG
Thomaston, Georgia
Member since Jan 2015
158 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:56 am to
CKS described him as day to day.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60643 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:00 am to
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What's the injury status on JE anyway? Seems like Neyland always takes one of our players, hopefully it isn't fromm.


Good point. We need Eason healthy this week. Even if he is only 80-90% healthy....just in case.

Last I heard he was practicing, I think. I don't know how far off he is from being ready, though. He won't see the field until he is 100% healthy, or absolutely has to. (Fromm getting hurt)
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
16863 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:28 am to
I watched the 2016 KY game last night and it was what you would expect. I encourage everyone to go back and watch some of those games because it was interesting. A few observations:

1) JE has a cannon for an arm, no question. He throws it so fast you couldn't see the ball and had to wait for the slo mo replay.

2) His best pass was an early quick slant to IMac...hit him in stride and he took it to the house.

3) JE seemed indecisive and several times made bad choices. He waited too long to make his throws. Most of his completions were when the receiver turned and showed him his numbers or broke open early.

4) On one of the long passes to Wims he had to adjust his route to get under the ball - it was thrown on a line behind him which made for a great catch.

5) A lot of his inaccurate passes were due to him being rushed...either by pressure or by having to force it in a closing window.

On a side note, our pass protection so far this year is LIGHT years better than KY last year. And, we ran the ball a TON against KY...more than I remembered and probably more than we should have.

After watching I was reminded of JE's talent...man he can really throw it. Compared to Fromm this year JE doesn't seem to process what's happening as quickly and is waiting to see the opening rather than anticipating it developing. He also was under constant pressure. Both of these were causing a lot of his accuracy issues as he was having to force throws into closing windows and rush his delivery - leading to accuracy issues and not much touch. Arm strength though...no comparison.

This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 10:30 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60643 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:39 am to
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3) JE seemed indecisive and several times made bad choices. He waited too long to make his throws. Most of his completions were when the receiver turned and showed him his numbers or broke open early.



Not anticipating his throws was one of his biggest weaknesses. It is pretty common among High School QB's. He struggled with anticipating receivers out of their breaks.

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4) On one of the long passes to Wims he had to adjust his route to get under the ball - it was thrown on a line behind him which made for a great catch.


It's funny about perceptions. When Fromm does this people say he is doing it on purpose to give his receivers a chance to come back for the ball. When Eason did it it was a poor throw. For the record, I think they have all been poor throws from Eason and Fromm in those cases.

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waiting to see the opening rather than anticipating it developing. He also was under constant pressure. Both of these were causing a lot of his accuracy issues as he was having to force throws into closing windows and rush his delivery - leading to accuracy issues and not much touch. Arm strength though...no comparison.


I agree with all of this.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:59 am to
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When Fromm does this people say he is doing it on purpose to give his receivers a chance to come back for the ball


This wasn't a back shoulder pass...this was a long throw where Wims was fully stretched at full speed..but the ball was thrown behind his line so he had to drift back and catch it over his head. Like I said though the catch was excellent....and maybe that's on Wims.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
38231 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:02 am to
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When Fromm does this people say he is doing it on purpose to give his receivers a chance to come back for the ball. When Eason did it it was a poor throw.


Some pass plays are designed that way, others aren't.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
43916 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:22 am to
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On most plays it is not. Last year against Tenn. it would have been. Arm strength is important when a game is on the line.
Fromm probably wouldn't have thrown a laser like that but it looked like Eason had to because he waited so long to throw it. A quicker decision probably wouldn't have warranted that level of speed. He also benefited from the defender unexpectedly slowing down.

I don't want to downplay the throw because it was great, but had the defender stayed with Ridley, it could have been a much different outcome regardless of Eason's arm strength.

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He underthrows a good bit.
I don't know how much of that is on purpose and how much of that is not. I know that it is a tactic to let your receiver slow down and come back to the ball which gives them a greater chance of catching it vs. a defender who is going full-speed with the receiver and can't react quickly enough.

Either way, the issue there isn't with Fromm's arm strength as he has been able to launch it deep and hit his receivers in-stride.

Flea Flicker - That was 47 yard touch pass (TTA) that looked effortless.

He has also been throwing the ball with good velocity on the short and medium passes to fit the ball where he's needed it to go.

20-yard (TTA) to Wims
15-yard shot to Hardman

He's got more than enough arm to get the ball where he wants it to go. Being able to throw it accurately is more important than having a cannon, IMO. A hard-thrown ball doesn't mean much if it isn't on-target.

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Yes, it is. Against Tennessee, he could not have made the throw that Eason did. However, it could also be argued that Fromm might have made two throws and we score on the second throw giving Tenn. no time to beat us with a Hail Mary. However, the chances of us completing two big passes go down significantly.
Like I said before, given the stutter Eason had before his throw, Fromm would not have made the same throw with the same timing. Eason made up for his delay with pure arm strength that few players have. However, if Fromm was in the same situation and targeted the same receiver, he probably would have released the ball sooner. Maybe the same result, maybe not, but it's also possible we would have been in a different situation prior to that one throw, too. I wouldn't put Eason in over Fromm based on the possibility of having to make that one throw out of all the plays throughout the course of the game.

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A receiver is supposed to catch it with his hands and not close to his body. I played receiver, and the drops were the receivers fault...trust me on that. However, all receivers drop passes sooner or later. They just came in bunches at the beginning of the year last year.
The drops are the receivers' fault, yes, but we don't have a receiving corps full of A.J. Greens. We need our QBs to deliver balls that are easy/easier to catch. The more velocity on the ball, the shorter the reaction time. The tighter the spiral, the easier it is to judge the path of the ball. Eason struggled a lot last year throwing tight spirals. Throwing them hard and wobbly could make it much harder for receivers to catch the ball. Add in having to stretch out completely to catch the ball and it just adds to the likelihood of a dropped pass.

So yeah, the receivers should catch every ball that hits their hands, but when you have inconsistent receivers, you need to throw "catchable" balls. Eason's bad mechanics led to a lot of bad throws and tough balls to catch by an inconsistent receiving corps. Fromm puts good touch on the ball and is very accurate with his ball placement. Fromm is putting the receivers in a better position to catch the ball than Eason did last year from what I've seen so far.

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I give the edge to Fromm, too. Not a huge edge, but an edge, nonetheless. However, I have not seen enough of Eason THIS year to know if it is fair to give Fromm the edge or not.
That's fair. I would say that unless we know Eason would be better than Fromm, I don't see why we even risk changing things up right now. We are 4-0 with Fromm under center and he has been an asset to the team; we aren't winning in spite of him. He's making good reads, managing the offense well, and making all the throws that he has had to make for us to win ball games. He's also been a leader on the field. He's done everything asked of him and has looked pretty good doing it, too.

I was a huge Eason fan last year and defended him when others trashed him for not being better than he was, but he made a ton of Freshman mistakes to go along with his bad mechanics. His saving grace was his arm.

If Fromm turns out to be more like Aaron Murray with his decision-making, leadership, and ball placement, and he has similar arm strength, I would take that any day over a Stafford arm. We might have one or two plays a game, if that, where arm strength would make all the difference. The rest of the time, it's about timing, accuracy, and decision-making. I'll give Fromm the edge over what I saw from Eason last year in those categories. If Eason gets a chance to play and he shows vast improvement in those areas, I'll change my toon, but from what I've seen of Fromm this year compared to Eason last year Fromm is already head and shoulders above where Eason was at the same time.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 11:36 am
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
38231 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:29 am to
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A quicker decision probably wouldn't have warranted that level of speed.


The success of that play required a delayed decision.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
19105 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:35 am to
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There is no arguing that Fromm is more accurate. I am amazed. We had Mason who was very accurate and everybody was running around criticizing him because he did not have a great arm.


These are not one in the same.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
43916 posts
Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:35 am to
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The success of that play required a delayed decision.
How so?
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