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re: What will our secondary look like next year?

Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:02 pm to
Posted by armtackledawg
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:02 pm to
If we can hang on to Fromm, Stokes, Cleveland, Wilson, Rice and Lecounte (the most likely group), the team will be in good shape next year.

My opinion is that there is very little chance Fromm leaves. He has regressed this year and needs to show better numbers for the pros.
Posted by DawgRff
Snellville Ga
Member since Jul 2012
6624 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:16 pm to
Why no mention of Rochester? He is a senior but only played in 1 game this year. He can play in 3 the next 3 games and still be RS eligible. If he return the defense will be solid again next year in every position.
Posted by LarryCulpepper
Member since May 2018
493 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

What will our secondary look like next year?


Damn good
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
28342 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:20 pm to
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Wilson


That might be the only one on the list who I could see going. Or i would understand going.

Can he elevate his draft stock? Yes.
But he is physically ready for the NFL. And a team can take that body and plug in right away and feel confident that he will be an average NFL player.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28530 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:07 pm to
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That might be the only one on the list who I could see going. Or i would understand going.

Not a very good history with Rsophmores and the NFL draft especially O Lineman.

I do understand he comes from difficult circumstances so he might be candidate to declare.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
28342 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:11 pm to
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Not a very good history with Rsophmores and the NFL draft especially O Lineman.


You know something that I dont.

But it doesn't take much to dispel that Wilson was your typical true freshman.
He was covered up by Isaiah Wynn and Andrew Thomas.

Knowledgeable football people won't bat an eye as to that reason for the freshman redshirt (besides the obvious conditioning that Wilson went through).
As to the conditioning...Wilson is NFL ready right now. They dont care what his body was at 18 years old.
Posted by HinesvilleThrill
Skidaway Island
Member since Sep 2012
3475 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

quote: LeCounte isn't going first two rounds. He'd be foolish to leave. He's great in coverage. With the way the NFL is trending towards pass heavy offenses, he could absolutely go in the first two rounds.



Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28530 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

You know something that I dont.



Name a few that had success in the NFL or were even drafted in the top 2 rounds.
I'll wait.

quote:

Knowledgeable football people won't bat an eye as to that reason for the freshman redshirt


Not really the issue.Its more about gametime expirence than anything else.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 1:31 pm
Posted by HinesvilleThrill
Skidaway Island
Member since Sep 2012
3475 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:18 pm to

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He is good. Not great.

He should grade 3-5 rounds. He could go higher. But that means there is high demand for a low supply position. His talent/production should slot 3-5.

If he improves consistency, then he could move 2-3.

He should return. It is a question if he thinks the resources are present to bump his draft stock (coaches, facilities, techniques/style of defense)


Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
28342 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:39 pm to
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Name a few that had success in the NFL or were even drafted in the top 2 rounds.
I'll wait.


I never said I follow the nfl or draft. Just the Dawgs. I conceded that you know something that I dont. You can share it if you like. Or dont. I dgaf.

quote:

Not really the issue.Its more about gametime expirence than anything else


Then we agree that it is a non-issue.
What will it be...about 27 or 28 starts for Wilson in the SEC against the best DL/front 7 in the country? That is more than enough game time for good film and good experience.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
28342 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:40 pm to
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you dont know shite buddy


Fair enough. You want some sort of wager on Lecountes draft placement?
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
10189 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 1:44 pm to
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I've seen him going 15 to the a Titans in multiple mocks.


Tannehill has been playing fantastic since taking the reins in Nashville. I'm a pretty big Titans fan and can tell you that we may still draft a QB this draft but that there's little interest in spending a 1st rounder to do it. We want Tanny back next season. If we can find a high-potential late round QB, yeah, we may go that route and have him learn under Tanny.

Fromm won't go first round. He's just not playing as well this season (relative to his history). Of course, freaking Mitch Trubisky went #2 overall after playing 13 lackluster college games at UNC so, who knows.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28530 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

never said I follow the nfl or draft. Just the Dawgs. I conceded that you know something that I dont. You can share it if you like. Or dont. I


Point being is that if he's doing some research or hopefully getting good advice
he'll realize it's not good move and he'll
much better off staying (barring injury)
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5712 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:08 pm to
I want to see Campbell at safety. He was an all American caliber safety as a junior in HS.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
28342 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:09 pm to
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good advice

Good advice could be to go to the draft.

Good is subjective. The reality of whether it is good or not depends upon the draft. Physically, Wilson is ready for the NFl. Experience will be 27-29 starts over 2 years (that is enough starts for a draft prospect on the line).

Wilson isnt the typical redshirt. He isnt the typical lineman body. And I dont think he will be promised left tackle (which could provide more incentive to stay).
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
28342 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

want to see Campbell at safety. He was an all American caliber safety as a junior in HS.


I'd prefer Stevenson at Nickel and move Webb to safety.

Daniel and Stokes are gone after 2020. Campbell and Ringo would make a good tandem at CB. Especially with as much game experience that Campbell will bring.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28530 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

That is more than enough game time for good film and good experience.


It's sure as hell hasn't been for many of those before him.Look at this guyand he was taken in the 1st Rd.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
44535 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:20 pm to
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Point being is that if he's doing some research or hopefully getting good advice
he'll realize it's not good move and he'll
much better off staying (barring injury)


His draft evaluation may say 1-3 rounds though. Hard to pass that up.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
28342 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 2:33 pm to
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It's sure as hell hasn't been for many of those before him.Look at this guyand he was taken in the 1st Rd

I apologize. You are going to have to spell out for me your point regarding Greg Robinson.
Posted by Hobnailboot
Minneapolis
Member since Sep 2012
6094 posts
Posted on 11/19/19 at 3:06 pm to
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Draft eligible guys who could conceivably leave:
Thomas (gone) - 100%
Swift (gone) - 100%
Fromm - 30% leave
Stokes (RSo) - worries me, 50% leave
Kindley - 5% leave
Cleveland - 10% leave
I. Wilson (RSo) - 50% leave, don't do it big man
Rice - 20% leave, doubt it but stranger things have happened
J. Johnson - 0% leave
Herring - 30% leave but has a lot to gain staying
Lecounte - 60% leave, tough call for the young man

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