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re: What if we all die before the basketball team is good again?

Posted on 2/11/25 at 10:57 am to
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 10:57 am to
They literally went head to head. This is not even speculation.
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 11:08 am to
Would you rather have Lane Kiffen or Kirby Smart as your head coach?
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 11:20 am to
I was really into Georgia basketball when I was a kid. Kentucky was one of the very few jobs that Tubby would have left for. Tubby eventually burned out, but he was a top 5 national coach when he was here. His first NCAA tournament team was with the super recruiting class we had with Carlos Strong and Shandon Anderson and the one guy that blocked all the shots. But Tubby's second NCAA team was with mostly new players and no-names.

Tubby was our one big shot. Not going to say that our administration blew it, because back then nobody could turn down Kentucky and the playing field wasn't nearly as equal and Kentucky was way more of a destination.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 11:44 am to
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Would you rather have Lane Kiffen or Kirby Smart as your head coach?



This depends. Is Kirby 72, have multiple scandals, and tearing it up in the MAC in your scenario?
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 11:49 am to
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I mean Florida is a definite too. Bama didn't even make it to a final four until last year. So describing them as a historically the third best program is just way off.

Tennessee and Bama are pretty similar, with Bama now having the edge with a final 4.

But LSU, Florida, Arky, and UK a tier above the rest.



I don't think anyone woudl pretend UGA is one of the best SEC teams historically simply because we had a final 4 before many others. Sure UF has won the big prize a few times, but would anyone claim minnesota a better CFB program all time than UGA prior to 2021? I'm looking at the big picture not just the last 3 games of the season.

All time wins:
UK
Arkansas
Bama

NCAA tournament appearances:
UK
Arkansas
Tenn
Bama/LSU

SEC Tourney champions
UK
Bama

SEC Regular season champions
UK
Tenn
Bama/LSU

Sweet 16s
UK
Arkansas
Tenn
Bama


Most of the categories bama trails UT in it's only by one or two seasons. Bama has consistently and historically been 3rd. LSU doesn't rank better than bama in almost any category you can think of so not sure why they're even mentioned at all. The only thing UF ranks higher on is elite 8s/4s/titles, which obviously are important but doesn't refelct a program's historical significance. From 1981 - 2020 you would be absolutley out of your mind to suggest AU was a better football program than UGA, but because they won 1 title to our zero and had two additional undefeated seasons it sounds like that's the route you'd go? UGA was by and large a consistent winner year in and year out, whereas AU was a constant up and down roller coaster that just so happened to have a slightly better "best season" than us, despite only winnign double digit games in back to back seasons once! UF basketball has a couple titles but that doesn't erase the decades upon decades of consistent winning that other progrmas were doing all along.

If you want to say UT is the 3rd best program historically I wouldn't argue too much but it isn't UF and it absolutely certainly isn't LSU.
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 12:11 pm to
We are looking at pre Oats here right ..that was the context when you said Bama was historically the 3rd best program.

1932-2019

LSU has four Final 4s, more NCAA tourney appearances , and two less SEC titles than Bama

Who's program would you want? I mean it's not close right? Oats has made it close now, but that wasn't the topic.

And with Florida it's even more apparent. Who cares about regular season SEC wins in the 80s when you have two titles and five final 4s at UF vs 0 and 0 with Bama.


Saying Bama was historically the third best team would be like saying UGA was the 3rd most successful football team in the SEC from 2000-2020. Post season success matters. Give me final 4s and titles vs the equivalent of consistently winning 10 games a year in basketball.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 12:58 pm to
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He won when he could buy players and is 72. It’s not woke. We already tried an old dude with stink on him with Crean and well.


Tom Crean is not in the same stratosphere as Rick Pitino. Pitino is going to have St. John's in the Final Four within 3 years.

Rick Pitino is one of the best college basketball coaches of all time. Tom Crean got carried to a Final Four by Dwyane Wade and somehow was able to ride that wave for 20 years despite accomplishing pretty much nothing after that.

Can't use the "well it's easier at Kentucky and Louisville than Marquette" excuse for him because Pitino took Providence to a Final Four, too.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 1:01 pm to
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Is Kirby 72, have multiple scandals, and tearing it up in the MAC in your scenario?


Big East basketball is light years beyond MAC football. What a retarded analogy.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 1:02 pm to
We are just morons when it comes to basketball and Pitino would have come to Athens. The Atlanta market would give him a well of recruiting.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13477 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 1:09 pm to
How many ranked wins and losses does he have this year?
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
14010 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 1:12 pm to
Don't care, here is his full resume:

Championships

NCAA Tournament champion (1996, 2013*)
NCAA Regional champion – Final Four (1987, 1993, 1996, 1997, 2005, 2012*, 2013*)
AAC Tournament champion (2014*)
AAC regular season champion (2014*)
Big East regular season champion (2009, 2013*)
3× Big East tournament champion (2009, 2012*, 2013*)
2× C-USA Tournament champion (2003, 2005)
C-USA regular season champion (2005)
5× SEC Tournament champion (1992–1995, 1997)
2× SEC regular season champion (1995, 1996)
America East tournament champion (1983)
2× America East regular season champion (1980, 1983)
2× Greek League champion (2019, 2020)
Greek Cup winner (2019)
2× MAAC tournament champion (2021, 2023)
2× MAAC regular season champion (2022, 2023)
Accomplishments and honors

Adolph Rupp Cup (2009)
2× MAAC Coach of the Year (2022, 2023)
C-USA Coach of the Year (2005)
3× SEC Coach of the Year (1990, 1991, 1996)
John Wooden National Coach of the Year (1987)
NABC Coach of the Year (1987)
National Italian American Sports Hall of Fame (1999)[2]
* Vacated by the NCAA[3][4]
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 1:14 pm to
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They literally went head to head. This is not even speculation.


UConn lost to Dayton, so Anthony Grant is a better coach than Dan Hurley. This the logic you're going with?

Figures you're too much of a pussy to answer.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 6:08 pm
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 1:16 pm to
He has CTE. go easy on him.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13477 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 2:05 pm to
Of course he has a long resume. He is 7 years past retirement age in the era of the portal and legally paying players. All of a sudden, all these power basketball conferences are average and UGA plays 5 ranked teams in their final 5 SEC games and y’all don’t see the signs…
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 2:21 pm to
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He is 7 years past retirement age in the era of the portal and legally paying players


Are you taking the stance that Pitino is old, out of touch, and won't be able to figure out how to navigate modern college basketball?
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 2:24 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13477 posts
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:07 pm to
I’m taking the stance that the SEC is all of a sudden really good at basketball and the Petino’s of the world have a lot more competition for players. And thinking a 72 year old white guy has been is gonna put a fence around the ATL AAU game is laughable. You can’t even show me his wins and losses vs ranked teams because you know how bad it looks.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:19 pm to
They're 21-3 on the season. Their losses were vs Baylor in OT, vs Georgia, and at Creighton by 1. Baylor was ranked at the time of the game. Georgia and Creighton were not. They beat two ranked teams in four days last week, as well, since you're harping on that so much.

They just had the #4 ranked portal class and are in the midst of their best season since Chris Mullin played there. Since you're so out of your element in a college basketball discussion, I'll help and tell you 1985. If you think Rick fricking Pitino isn't going to figure out how to succeed in college basketball, then you're retarded. He's been to the Final Four in four consecutive decades. He knows how to adapt.

I'd take 72 year old Pitino over Mike White any day of the week. He is one of the 10 best coaches in the country right now.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 5:35 pm
Posted by Griffindawg
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 4:45 pm to
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I was more worried about this scenario with the football team winning another natty. Glad that’s over now.

Good chance some of us live to see the football team suck again but then also die before they’re good again.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 5:03 pm to
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Peter Buck


Since you think you're smarter and better than everyone else, I thought it would be helpful to remind the class that you honestly tried to compare Big East basketball and MAC football like they're on the same tier. That was legitimately one of the dumbest things I have ever seen posted on this site. What an idiot.

Big East basketball is closer to SEC football than it is to MAC football.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 5:06 pm
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 6:03 pm to
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Sure UF has won the big prize a few times, but would anyone claim minnesota a better CFB program all time than UGA prior to 2021? I'm looking at the big picture not just the last 3 games of the season.


Very, very different comparisons. No one cares about conference championships in basketball unless it's a team who needs the auto bid. The ONLY thing that matters in college basketball is tournament success.

I highly doubt Virginia is going to be having any reunions for their 2018 team who went 35-3, won the ACC regular season, and won the ACC conference tournament. By all accounts, a memorable team who should be honored, right?

They lost by 20 in the first round of the tournament. The players on that team probably don't want that season to be remembered.
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